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Old 06-15-2011, 04:34 PM
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That's exact, had she converted before marrying, George would have been ineligible to succeed to Edward VII, but their chilrdren would, so Edward VII would have been succeeded by David.
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Old 06-15-2011, 04:37 PM
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You are right, totally forgot about the kids.

Unless of course something had happened to Edward VII before David was born. Can you imagine still ending up with David as King?!

ETA: I think the chances of Mary being Catholic before she married George are slim to none. Her mother, the Duchess of Teck was a granddaughter of George III and she took her religion and her royal status very seriously. If there was a small chance of Albert Victor and than George marrying a Catholic who didnot and would not convert (see Helene and Albert Victor), such a potential marriage would have been squashed like a bug.
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Old 06-15-2011, 04:51 PM
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Sorry, I completely missed the statement about converting while her family was living in Florence. In that case, although I don't think she would have converted, she could have as I don't believe she imagined herself at the time marrying an heir to the throne. But still, it would have been such a big step, and I think she would have disclosed it if an heir to the throne asked for her hand in marriage.
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Old 06-15-2011, 05:09 PM
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Indeed, I believe Mary if that was the case would have "confessed." I believe she lived by a fairly strict Victorian code, so I dont think she would have tried to get over.
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Would have she lied for nearly 70 years to the whole world about something that, if discovered and made public, would have had major constitutional and political implications (because George V would have been an usurper, if his wife was Catholic since before they married)? I think it is highly unlikely.
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Old 06-15-2011, 05:29 PM
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Exactly, I need a page number and if Spoto made such a claim, surely he has a source to back up his statement and that should be in the bibliography.
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I understand that she came off as agnorant but,that was how she was raised to be.Like her grandaughter Elizabeth,she was taught to never show emotion in public.
And I highly doubt she was a snob since she accepted Elizabeth Bowes-Lyons(Queen Mother)into the family.
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I have never liked Queen Mary, I don't know why and I think some of it might be that when I was younger I saw a picture of her stone cold face and was turned off. But I just do not like the woman or find her at all interesting.
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Old 07-13-2011, 05:17 AM
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I understand that she came off as agnorant but,that was how she was raised to be.Like her grandaughter Elizabeth,she was taught to never show emotion in public.
And I highly doubt she was a snob since she accepted Elizabeth Bowes-Lyons(Queen Mother)into the family.
Well, I've often seen Queen Elizabeth (II) smile in pictures, but her grandmother, Queen Mary, seems to always have had a stone-cold face, so I understand what XeniaCasaraghi means.
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I've seen many pictures of Queen Mary smiling. She may have come off as cold and arrogant, but she was reserved and shy, Mary, as her Granddaughter, Elizabeth took her royal duties seriously and believed in not showing her emotions. Queen Mary has been in the unfortunate position of being misunderstood.
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I think Queen Mary's public persona is at odds with her private demeanor. I recall an incident which I read in a biography of Princess Alice, the mother of Prince Philip. I am afraid I will paraphrase it badly, but it went something like this:

Princess Alice was dining with George V and Queen Mary and telling them about her sister Louise, who married the Crown Prince of Sweden. A minister took Louise on a tour of the royal palace and eventually took her into the vault where the crown jewels were kept. This minister allegedly said, "Now, I will open my drawers and show you a treasure!" According to the biography, George V roared with laughter and then Queen Mary said, "Well, did he?" I think the lady had a sense of humor.
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In "The Lost Prince",a movie about Prince John,I saw the scene where John dies,and Mary looked stoned faced.I read the comments and people said "Lalla loves him more than Mary".That's very sad.Im sure she loved her son very much and everyone has ways of showing thier grief.
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I have never liked Queen Mary, I don't know why and I think some of it might be that when I was younger I saw a picture of her stone cold face and was turned off. But I just do not like the woman or find her at all interesting.
Queen Mary not interesting? I'd suggest you do some reading. You may be surprised.

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I think that was the first time I saw her smile!
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My grandmother was born in 1889, and pictures of her smiling are quite rare. But in person, she smiled as much as anyone did and could be very funny. I think it has something to do with the times.
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She was the last of the "Grande Dames". She had stature and bearing, she loved jewelry and wore tons at a time, but always looked tasteful. She wasn't a warm or cozy person, but that's how she was raised and in her times, that was what was expected. I think she accpeted Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, because marrying off Bertie, title or not was not going to be a picnic. But they seemed to get along. She, also, accepted the Duke of Gloucester's wife, Alice.
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I have never liked Queen Mary, I don't know why and I think some of it might be that when I was younger I saw a picture of her stone cold face and was turned off. But I just do not like the woman or find her at all interesting.
I find her very interesting, but scary and intimidating all at the same time!
There are 4 people in this world who define regal majesty for me, each in their own way!
HM. Queen Mary
HM. Queen Mother
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And the first 3 on that list define the word Queen for me.
Queen Mary is on top!
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She was the last of the "Grande Dames". She had stature and bearing, she loved jewelry and wore tons at a time, but always looked tasteful. She wasn't a warm or cozy person, but that's how she was raised and in her times, that was what was expected. I think she accpeted Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, because marrying off Bertie, title or not was not going to be a picnic. But they seemed to get along. She, also, accepted the Duke of Gloucester's wife, Alice.
From what I've read, she was the one who persuaded Elizabeth to marry Bertie. Lady Elizabeth had turned down his proposal before and she was quite fond of her and thought she would make a good wife for her son.
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I have never liked Queen Mary, I don't know why and I think some of it might be that when I was younger I saw a picture of her stone cold face and was turned off. But I just do not like the woman or find her at all interesting.

I never liked her either; she seemed such a cold and grasping woman.

I read once that, whenever she was visiting someplace, people would hide their valuables because she used to make clear her desire that items she admired should be given to her!
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Hi,

My favourite George V and Queen Mary story is one that the King loved to tell over dinner often:

The nearly blind Queen Olga of Greece was once walking through Windsor Great Park with G & M and spotted a nude statue of Lady Godiva.
"Ah, dear Queen Victoria!!", proclaimed the Greek Queen....
G & M had a great laugh and often dined out on that story...

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