The Royal Forums Coat of Arms

Go Back   The Royal Forums > Reigning Houses > British Royals > British Royal History

Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #41  
Old 11-01-2009, 08:32 PM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Chicago, United States
Posts: 1,532
I have a feeling both Wilhelm and Carol of Romania knew how bad off their mothers were....and in a covert act of coldness.... delayed either medical treatment, ignored the advice of having the best doctors tend to them...and in Queen Marie's case, PURPOSELY hastened her death by forcing her to take a train home to die.... Both of them are burning in hell for the sins they committed.....both were sick, malicious men...
__________________

__________________
Lady M
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 11-13-2009, 04:50 AM
Warren's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 15,370
Victoria, Crown Princess of Prussia in 1867

portrait by Franz Xaver Winterhalter





from Wikipedia Commons - Public Domain - copyright expired
Painting is part of HM the Queen British Royal Collections, Buckingham Palace
__________________

__________________
Seeking information? Check out the extensive Royal A-Z
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 02-03-2010, 09:02 PM
CarolinaLandgrave's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Atlanta, United States
Posts: 368
Can anyone suggest a good read on Empress Frederick?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 02-03-2010, 09:58 PM
Dragon_Fire's Avatar
Newbie
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Coventry, United Kingdom
Posts: 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by CarolinaLandgrave View Post
Can anyone suggest a good read on Empress Frederick?
Definitely Hannah Pakula's An Uncommon Woman. Gives you a good comprehensive coverage of Empress Frederick's life and all the major figures in her life are featured.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 02-04-2010, 10:18 AM
Zonk's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere in, United States
Posts: 10,187
Yes, that was a great book.

You might also try Vicky: Princess Royal of Great Britian and Empress of Germany its by Daphne Bennett.

Has anyone read the letters between the Vicky and her mother?

Vicky certainly was not the best mother but she was a woman of her times. She certainly didn't deserve to be treated by Wilhem the way she was.
__________________
.

Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old 02-04-2010, 10:35 PM
Mermaid1962's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: NearTheCoast, Canada
Posts: 5,148
I've read one of the volumes that have been published. What struck me about it was how Queen Victoria and her daughter would talk about international events in terms of uncles and aunts and cousins and nieces and nephews.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old 02-05-2010, 06:00 PM
Russophile's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Portland, United States
Posts: 4,077
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zonk View Post

Has anyone read the letters between the Vicky and her mother?
No, but I have it. I'll have to check exactly where I put that book!
__________________
"Not MGM, not the press, not anyone can tell me what to do."--Ava Gardner
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old 02-05-2010, 07:14 PM
Warren's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 15,370
Sorry Russo, it doesn't count unless you've actually read it.

=

=
__________________
Seeking information? Check out the extensive Royal A-Z
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Old 02-05-2010, 07:28 PM
Russophile's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Portland, United States
Posts: 4,077
Pfft! Pfft!
Hey, how 'bout that Winterhalter, eh? *Russo skillfully changes the subject* I was reading in Hesse that he spent his summers in England painting Victoria et. all.
http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikiped...n_Victoria.jpg



__________________
"Not MGM, not the press, not anyone can tell me what to do."--Ava Gardner
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old 02-05-2010, 08:00 PM
Zonk's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere in, United States
Posts: 10,187
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mermaid1962 View Post
I've read one of the volumes that have been published. What struck me about it was how Queen Victoria and her daughter would talk about international events in terms of uncles and aunts and cousins and nieces and nephews.
I've heard that as well. And I heard the same thing about George V as it relates to WWI.

I almost purchased one of the volumes on ebay, but was outbid at the last moment. I must check it out again.

Its a shame that Beatrice burnt a lot of Queen Victoria's letters.....the stories that they could tell.
__________________
.

Reply With Quote
  #51  
Old 02-07-2010, 10:09 AM
Vasillisos Markos's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Crete, United States
Posts: 1,158
Wasn't Vicky unsparing in her criticism of Wilhelm while writing to Queen Victoria? It doesn't sound like Vicky turned a blind eye to her son's faults; instead, she was very honest in appraising his arrogance and cruelty. If she had been a better mother and her in-laws had not interfered with the child rearing, I wonder if Wilhelm would have turned out differently?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #52  
Old 02-07-2010, 08:55 PM
CarolinaLandgrave's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Atlanta, United States
Posts: 368
I think a great deal of Wilhelm's issues stem from his paternal grandparents and Bismark... and his withered arm being the excuse of many (even Queen Victoria) for turning a blind eye
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #53  
Old 02-07-2010, 09:19 PM
Zonk's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere in, United States
Posts: 10,187
Wilhem definitely got away with more than he should. Snubbing Bertie when he came to Europe, treating his parents (and his younger siblings like dirt), ransacking the Palace after his father died, etc. But I am sorry, there are tons of people who have terrible childhoods and aliments and they don't grow up with nasty personalities. So there is no excuse in my book for Wilhem's.

Bismarck certainly backed the wrong horse, as they (Bismarck and Wilhem) were not able to have a long working relationship. It was very interesting to read in An Uncommon Woman, how he came to Vicky for guidance. It shows what a mature and reasonable woman she was by not throwing a lot of it back in his face.

Its interesting to note that Bertie (Uncle Edward) stated that William would bring the world to war after his death.
__________________
.

Reply With Quote
  #54  
Old 02-07-2010, 10:00 PM
CarolinaLandgrave's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Atlanta, United States
Posts: 368
AMEN!! Willy was a bitter pill, in general.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #55  
Old 02-08-2010, 05:03 PM
Vasillisos Markos's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Crete, United States
Posts: 1,158
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zonk View Post
Its interesting to note that Bertie (Uncle Edward) stated that William would bring the world to war after his death.
This quote illustrates how perceptive Edward VII was about world affairs and it is a shame that his death robbed the world of his diplomacy prior to the start of WWI
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #56  
Old 02-08-2010, 06:00 PM
Zonk's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere in, United States
Posts: 10,187
Exactly...he called it so accurately just as his son (George V) did about his son (Edward VIII).

Imagine what Edward VII could have done if he had been trained properly?! Or Princess Victoria if she was the heir. Really....I think Queen Victoria and Prince Albert did a pretty decent job of raising their kids. Or at least the nannies did. A couple of hiccups and minor scandals...but they turned out alright. It was their grandchildren and great grandchildren that turned out to be the problem!.
__________________
.

Reply With Quote
  #57  
Old 02-09-2010, 08:59 PM
CarolinaLandgrave's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Atlanta, United States
Posts: 368
As history well shows us.... there were loads of trouble with the grandchildren and great-grandchildren!! Snakes alive....
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #58  
Old 04-29-2010, 01:44 PM
Gentry
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Phoenix, United States
Posts: 62
I think perhaps she felt guilty for her son's deformed arm, and that also contributed. I can see him telling her it is all her fault.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #59  
Old 04-29-2010, 05:53 PM
MAfan's Avatar
Super Moderator
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: N/A, Italy
Posts: 4,323
Well, maybe he didn't tell her clearly, but surely Wilhelm thought it was all Victoria's fault. This was one of the reason of his hate towards her.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #60  
Old 04-30-2010, 06:10 AM
Gentry
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Bordertown, Australia
Posts: 79
Wilhelm's feelings towards his mother were very complex. Some of his letters to her indicate emotions far from hatred. I would describe it [from his point of view] as a love-hate relationship.
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
biography, british history, empress frederick, frederick iii, kaiser, pictures, prince albert, princess royal, princess victoria, prussia, queen victoria, queen victoria's children, wilhelm ii


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Queen Victoria (1819-1901) TOMMIX British Royal History 320 08-26-2014 12:12 PM
Emperor Napoleon I (1769-1821) and Wives (Empress Josephine and Empress Marie-Louise) Toledo The Imperial House of Bonaparte 36 08-08-2014 08:29 PM
Mexico, the Mexican Empire, Emperor Maximilian & Empress Carlota, née of Belgium Etienne,DuchessofBurgundy Other Non-Reigning Houses and Historical Monarchies 49 04-07-2014 04:18 PM
Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester (1900-1974) and Princess Alice (1901-2004) Catharine British Royals 142 03-17-2014 05:18 PM
Emperor Friedrich III (1831-1888) and Victoria (Empress Frederick) (1840-1901) Marengo The Royal and Princely Houses of Hohenzollern 28 12-28-2013 10:07 PM




Additional Links
Popular Tags
birth bourbon-parma charlene chris o'neill crown prince frederik crown prince haakon crown princess letizia crown princess mary crown princess mette-marit crown princess victoria current events fashion grand duchess maria teresa grand duke henri hohenzollern infanta elena infanta sofia jordan kate middleton king abdullah ii king carl xvi gustav king felipe king felipe vi king harald king juan carlos king philippe king willem-alexander luxembourg olympic games ottoman picture of the month pieter van vollenhoven pom president hollande president komorowski prince albert prince albert ii prince carl philip prince constantijn prince felipe prince floris prince pieter-christiaan princess princess aimee princess alexia (2005 -) princess anita princess ariane princess beatrix princess catharina-amalia princess charlene princess claire princess laurentien princess letizia princess mabel princess madeleine princess margriet princess mary queen letizia queen mathilde queen maxima queen rania queen silvia queen sofia royal russia sofia hellqvist spain state visit wedding william



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:40 AM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014
Jelsoft Enterprises

Royal News Delivered to your Email!

You can get the latest Royal News right in your inbox.

unsusbcribe at anytime with one click

Close [X]