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Old 08-29-2016, 10:27 PM
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What years was Princess Mary Adelaide's father, Prince Francis the president of the Royal Botanic Society?
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Old 08-29-2016, 11:14 PM
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Princess Mary Adelaide's husband was Francis Duke of Teck. I looked up Wikipedia and all they say is that he was President of the Royal Botanical society. Maybe you have to google the RBS to find your dates.
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I find it incredible that such a minor royal like Princess Mary Adelaide received an allowance voted by Parliament and was given an apartment at Kensington Palace.
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I find it incredible that such a minor royal like Princess Mary Adelaide received an allowance voted by Parliament and was given an apartment at Kensington Palace.
Unless I'm mistaken, was she not a 1st cousin of Queen Victoria? And thus in a similar position to the Dukes of Gloucester and Kent and Prince Michael of Kent, all of whom also have apartments at Kensington Palace?
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Unless I'm mistaken, was she not a 1st cousin of Queen Victoria? And thus in a similar position to the Dukes of Gloucester and Kent and Prince Michael of Kent, all of whom also have apartments at Kensington Palace?
Yes but Queen Victoria had many more children. So there would be no need for Princess Mary Adelaide to perform royal duties and spend her money pursuing her lavish tastes.
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Old 06-15-2017, 05:47 PM
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The concept of 'royal duties' as we understand it today is a 20th Century idea and wasn't done all that much before the end of World War One. It was part of the re-branding of the BRF as totally British so the members of the family were expected to be out and about a lot more.

Prior to that the heirs apparent and their spouses were the only ones who did regular appearances with others doing things occasionally and even sons and grandsons doing overseas visits but the idea of all an sundry doing engagements was really designed by George V.

The idea of moving to a smaller royal family as muted to be coming from Charles will actually take the concept of royal duties back to the 19th Century idea but adding the children of the monarch as well rather than just the heir apparent. No cousins needed for instance.

As for Mary Adelaide receiving a Civil List payment - this was the normal procedure for all HRHs until 1992 when the Queen was forced to change that procedure and return to paying tax. The deal that George III made was that in exchange for the income of the Crown Estates the parliament would give all adult members of his family a living allowance. All of George V's children and grandchildren were given such allowances as were all children and grandchildren of Queen Victoria - other than the children of Princess Victoria (the Empress Frederick) although she continued to be eligible for a Civil List payment after becoming the Crown Princess of Prussia. All wives of UK Princes were also given an allowance so Princess Alexandra of Denmark was given 10,000 pounds while the Grand Duchess Marie received less of course - another reason why she had her nose out of joint.

George V of Hannover was still paid his Civil List payment all his life and I believe his son was paid along with the Dukes of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha if voted to them before taking up that position but not after the outbreak of World War One if still eligible.
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Old 06-15-2017, 08:59 PM
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I'm guessing the income from the Crown Estates was much lower then, as in not enough to keep up the lifestyle of even a frugal king.
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The Crown Estates, back then, had to pay for a lot more than just the lifestyle of the King. He had to pay the army and the administration of the judiciary and many other costs - now associated with the government - out of that. They were things that weren't paid for by the government then but directly by the King.

The King also had the income of the Duchy of Lancaster.

In real terms the income was probably a bit lower then but had to go a lot further. George III wasn't able to do it and so compromised with the government - give me xxxx for my official duties and support my family and you can have the rest to do with as you see fit but you also have to pay for these expenses as well.
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Old 06-16-2017, 06:06 AM
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That makes sense. Took a lot of administration off his back.
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