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Old 07-30-2010, 05:37 PM
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JD, I know you ALWAYS do your research (because that's who you are! ) now, where might Russo find this info. to peruse for herself?? You know Russo always loves a good bit of gossip!
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Well various sources not just one
But i would like to suggest three books dealing with the family....
Hessian Tapestry....by David Duff
Louis and Victoria: The First Mountbattens....by Richard Hough.
The Mountbattens: The Battenburgs and young Mountbatten..by Anthony Lambton
these are very informative for those who has an interest in the family.....well worth a read Russo
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Hi Russo,
Well various sources not just one
But i would like to suggest three books dealing with the family....
Hessian Tapestry....by David Duff
Louis and Victoria: The First Mountbattens....by Richard Hough.
The Mountbattens: The Battenburgs and young Mountbatten..by Anthony Lamton
these are very informative for those who has an interest in the family.....well worth a read Russo
Thank you Dah-link!
Russo did read the one on the Hesse's as the collection was here in Portland at the museum a couple years back. However! Russo was a bone-head and did not go to it. Regretting it ever since!
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Well Russo more about the Kolemine affair !
Prince Louis of Battenburg married Princess Victoria of hesse the daughter of the Grand Duke Louis IV. Though the Grand Duke Louis had promised his late wife the Grand Duchess Alice, that he would allow their children to marry for love, and he readily gave his consent to this marriage, the news was not welcomed elsewhere....

The Hessian Parliament rudely opposed the marriage and refused to give the Princess her dowry, because she was marrying beneath her and will become a morganatic. In the Berlin and Russian courts there was insulting remarks about the anteccedents of Prince Louis and the Battenburg's! Moreover given this feeling towards the marriage, it is understandable as to why some guests at the wedding reacted in the way they did when the bombshell of the Grand Dukes secret second marriage was leaked out. Well think of it: the Grand Duke had made a unsuitable marriage on the very day that his daughter had married a Battenburg, for the Battenburgs was hated in many eyes throughout Europe and what more the Grand Duke had not realised his family ties with the Imperial houses of Britain, Germany and Russia entailed so complete a surrender of his personal freedom.

The Grand Ducal Palace became deserted. The Empress Augusta of Germany was informed and the old Empress, already displeased with the enagement of Priness Elizabeth of Hesse to Grand Duke Serge of Russia and the romance between her Granddaughter Princess Victoria of Prussia with a hated Battenburg, now ordered the Crown Princes and Princess to leave Darmstadt, which they did on the 2nd of May!. Court officials developed colds and were confined to their rooms. Ministers found business to attend to in near by towns. At long last Queen Victoria, who remained outwardly calm -but behind closed doors there was tamtrums- sent for her son the Prince of Wales, she ordered him to interview Kolemine and to arrange that the marriage to be declared null and void....she had spoken!

The old Queen was not adove interpreting the sacredness of marriage to suit her own convenience and in this marriage she found nothing sacred about it at all. it was not until late June or early July that the marriage was annulled, Hermann Sahel the former German Secretary to the Queen, who had retired to Darmstadt, reported to Sir Henry Ponsonby "You will be glad to hear that substantially the untieing of the morganantic knot is accomplished, and by degrees the formal severance will be pronounced by a court of Law convened for the purpose".

It is said that the marriage between the Grand Duke and Alexandrine von Kolemine was not consummated. so i guess that was the grounds for the annulment of the marriage!

Kolemine was introduced to the Grand Duke by Prince Isenburg and his wife, who encouraged the liaison. The two elder girls (Princess Victoria and Princess Elizabeth) was fully aware of their fathers friendship and often accompanied the couple on their walks. Very soon there was rumours of a wedding in the air, Princess Victoria declared "Papa will never marry again", however the Grand Duke abmitted that "he could hardly bear the thought of further loneliness in his life after she [Princess Victoria] left him. Indeed it is said that over time the Grand Ducal children was glad to think she would there for their father after they married off themselves!.

The Battenburg / Hesse wedding took place in Darmstadt on 30th April 1884, after the wedding banquet, the Grand Duke unnoticed left his guests for a while and entered a room in the Scloss, there Kolemine and three men were waiting for him.....not long afterwards he left the room as a married man, Starck the Prime Minister of Hesse had married him to Kolemine, the witnesses being Prince Isenburg and the brides brother!. Princess Victoria, later wrote (as Lady Milford Haven) the following...."Influenced, i fancy, by Madame de Kolemine's dread of opposition to the marriage , nobody had been told of it.except his children and prosective sons in law. Though Louis and Serge were in dispair about it. they gave their promise to keep the secret. We others quite liked the lady, who was full of intentions towards us and i hoped my father would less lonely when married to a woman he was much in love with."
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Prince Louis and Princess Victoria, that was Ena's parents?

Thanks for the info. JD!
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Well, no Ena's parents was Prince Henry of Battenburg, the younger brother of Prince Louis, and Princess Beatrice, a aunt of Princess Victoria of Hesse. As mentioned within this thread, it was hoped that this same Princess Beatrice would marry her widowed brother in law the Grand Duke Louis IV of Hesse.....
Btw it is said that Princess Beatrice had fallen in love with Prince Henry of Battenburg, Whilst attending the wedding of Princess Victoria of Hesse to Prince Louis of Battenburg !
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Well, no Ena's parents was Prince Henry of Battenburg, the younger brother of Prince Louis, and Princess Beatrice, a aunt of Princess Victoria of Hesse. As mentioned within this thread, it was hoped that this same Princess Beatrice would marry her widowed brother in law the Grand Duke Louis IV of Hesse.....
Btw it is said that princess Beatrice had fallen in love with Prince Henry of Battenburg, Whilst attending the wedding of Princess Victoria of Hesse to Prince Louis of Battenburg !
Thanks JD! You know too well how lazy Russo is and she didn't take the trouble to look it up! However! your anecdotes are much more informative and interesting!
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Alice seemed to have been the princess who was wanting to be normal, share her riches with others and was the one it help people,much like her daughter Elisabeth .
She also decided to not take a wet nurse like other royals and breastfed her children herself to which her mother called her a "cow" ,but every mother must forgive her children and according to comments about her in this forum it seems like Victoria grieved over alice's sudden death of diptheria leaving her children with no mother ,but they still had grandmama Vicky.
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One of Alice's organizations, the Princess Alice Women's Guild, became a national one, and took over much of the day-to-day running of the military hospitals in Darmstadt.
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Alice was not an intellectual like her sister Vicky but she was intelligent. As well she inherited something of the melancholy and fatalism of the Prince Consort. She never really recovered from the accidental death of her son Frederich, 'Frittie' and there were days when she didn't get out of bed.

Nevertheless, from the beginning, Alice tried hard to turn little Darmstadt into a centre for culture. She argued religion with the controversial writer David Strauss, (which didn't please conservative Lutherans). The poet Lord Tennyson, historian Thomas Carlyle and art critic John Ruskin often stayed with her. She played duets on the piano with Johannes Brahms.
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Did Princess Alice learn her nursing skills in England before she moved to Hesse-Darmstadt?
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I doubt that Alice had any nurses' training in the formal sense. It wasn't a profession at all in Britain until Florence Nightingale came back from the Crimea and organised the first training. It certainly wasn't a profession that an aristocrat or Royal would enter. Nevertheless, Alice was a serious-minded young woman. Like her sister Vicky medical matters interested her, she read widely on the subject and became a friend of Miss Nightingale's.

She certainly had practice of some sort with family members. She helped during her grandmother the Duchess of Kent's final illness in early 1861 and by the end of the year she was in charge of the sickroom as her father, the Prince Consort, lay dying. All this stood her in good stead when she organised hospitals in Darmstardt, especially during wartime, and later, when she nursed her family.
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Alice was introduced early, visiting patients from the Crimean war with her mother. She later was care taker to her grandmother Victoria and then her dad Albert nursing them in the last months of illness. She also liked to be among common people all which she continued in her new home.
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I doubt that Alice had any nurses' training in the formal sense. It wasn't a profession at all in Britain until Florence Nightingale came back from the Crimea and organised the first training. It certainly wasn't a profession that an aristocrat or Royal would enter. Nevertheless, Alice was a serious-minded young woman. Like her sister Vicky medical matters interested her, she read widely on the subject and became a friend of Miss Nightingale's.

her family.
It was quite common for women to nurse family members, since there wasn't really a professional body of nurses till F Nightingale came along. Gradually It seems ot have become more common to get in various nurses for illness - for those who could pay, to have a nurse look after one In childbirth etc. But still wives and mothers did do some nursing In the sense of "soothing fevered brows" administering medicine, sitting up with people...
And of course royal and aristocratic women did not have "professions" at all. Nursing gradualy became something that some middle class women went in for, as Miss Nightingale professionalised it and made it respectable. I think that while it was rather shocking for women to "go out to peoples houses or to a hospital and be involved in seeing people ill and tending them physically, and most middle class parents wouldn't want their daugthers doing this.. SOME middle class women who were intelligent and wanted to do soemting other than sit around, waiting fro a husband, did take up the job..But they probably had to fight for the chance to do it.. and put up with family opposition.
But for an upper class woman to help look after a sick relative or to maeke it her charity speciality to organise and set up a hospital for the poor, was more acceptable.
In "Downton Abbey" for example Isabel I understand, was a nurse and when she moves to DA she gets involved in the cottage hospital. To be honest, I dont "believe" in the Isabel thing at all, I don't think it was that likely that a relative of the Crawleys would have been so middle class, and not in any contact with their relatives as seems to have been the story.. or that a well to do middle class lady like Isabel would have been a professional nurse.
But it could happen and we see in the series how the Crawley ladies are involved in helping to organise the cottage hospital.
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Can anybody tell me more about Ernest her son?
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Can anybody tell me more about Ernest her son?
He married Victoria Melita, his cousin, but the marriage ended in divorce, with no surviving Children. THere were rumours that he was gay. However he married another German princess and produced 2 sons.
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The marriage to Victoria Melita (whose nickname was 'Ducky') was an awful mistake. They married under pressure from Queen Victoria, their grandmother, who is said to have wished for it. They were temperamentally unsuited in every way, and of course there were the sexual rumours about Ernie, as he was known as within the family.

The only good thing to come out of the marriage was their daughter Elizabeth, whom Ernie in particular absolutely adored. He built a playhouse for her in the woods (it still exists) which adults were strictly forbidden to enter at any time. Elizabeth would play in there when it was time for lessons or to get ready for something she didn't want to do! Elizabeth died in 1903 aged eight, of typhoid, while on a visit with her father to her uncle and aunt, the last Tsar and Tsarina of Russia. Her last illness was so quick, virtually 24 hours, that her mother, staying elsewhere, could not get there in time.

Elizabeth's death broke Ernie's heart. He later married again and he and his wife Eleanore had two sons. Eleanore was older than Ducky had been. She was placid and understanding, and they had a very happy marriage.

The eldest son, Georg Donatus, married Prince Philip's sister Cecilie, and they, Ernie's widow, and their two little sons were killed in an aircrash in 1937 while going to the wedding in England of Georg Donatus's younger brother. Ernie had, thank God, died shortly before, after a long illness.

The sole surviving son Ludwig , whose wedding it was, married an English woman, Margaret Geddes in a funereal atmosphere immediately afterwards. They never had any children and the sole remaining child of his brother, a little girl aged two, Joanna, also died.

Ernie had been interested in the Arts, as his mother had been and Darmstadt became quite a little centre for musicians, poets and artists. His sole surviving son, Ludwig (Louis) and his wife Margaret carried on this work.
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Grand Duke Ernest Louis founded the Darmstadt Artists' Colony.
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Thank you. I've read all about his sisters and even his younger brother but there's hardly any information about him.

Out of all the siblings he seems more personality wise more like his mother
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