Prince Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence, eldest son of Edward VII (1864-1892)

[lac2003]

So we can assume that with the supposed link between the Duke of Clarence and Jack the Ripper that Clarence won't be used for the foreseeable future?!

[Warren]

There is no link between Albert Victor and Jack the Ripper although some have tried to infer as much (along with William Gladstone and even Lewis Carroll).

[iowabelle]

I'm sure that most people today don't know about the alleged connection to Jack the Ripper. It's going on 120 years, that shouldn't be a problem. After all, they've used Culloden, which I find to be distasteful and inauspicious.

[Vasillisos Markos]

Originally Posted by iowabelle

I'm sure that most people today don't know about the alleged connection to Jack the Ripper. It's going on 120 years, that shouldn't be a problem. After all, they've used Culloden, which I find to be distasteful and inauspicious.

I have been reading this thread with great interest and love that more than a century later people have differing views about the poor lamented Prince. Iowabelle, what is the reference to Culloden?

[Warren]

Xan, the young son of the Earl and Countess of Ulster and grandson of the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester is known as Lord Culloden. Baron Culloden is a subsidiary title of the Duke of Gloucester dating from the current creation in 1928.

The Battle of Culloden spelt the end of hopes for a Stuart restoration when the Jacobite army was routed by Hanoverian forces led by the Duke of Cumberland. To the victor go the spoils; the defeated resent being reminded of it.

[lac2003]

You say defeated. The Scots, very rightly, say massacred.
Albert Victor will always be one of the royal family's "might have been"'s.
He's buried at the mausoleum at Frogmore, isn't he?

[Iluvbertie]

Originally Posted by lac2003

You say defeated. The Scots, very rightly, say massacred.
Albert Victor will always be one of the royal family's "might have been"'s.
He's buried at the mausoleum at Frogmore, isn't he?

The fact that there were more Scots in the English army than in the Scottish army is often forgotten.

Yes he is buried at Frogmore.

[Roderick]

His tomb is in the Albert Memorial Chapel, St. George's Chapel, Windsor Castle.

[maria-olivia]

Queen Mary's first boy was called Edward and the second Albert ( future Georges VI).
Was is a remember of Mary's first fiance ?

[Roderick]

The first child was named Edward after Prince Albert Victor (Eddy) as his father wished. The second child was named Albert as per Queen Victoria's wishes that a child from each family bear the name of her late husband.

[Dierna23]

Albert Victor per se was a remembrence to Queen Victoria and Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. Nearly all of Victoria's grandchildren and greatgrandchildren beared at least one of these names in their full christian names. Lord Louis Mountbattens christian name for example: Louis Francis Albert Victor Nicholas of Battenberg.

[Dierna23]

Albert is indeed a beautiful name, as Victoria and Victor are as well. I always wondered a bit what would've been if Mary had married Eddie. I think they were much more different characters than George and Mary were.

[iowabelle]

Originally Posted by maria-olivia

Queen Mary's first boy was called Edward and the second Albert ( future Georges VI).
Was is a remember of Mary's first fiance ?

Within the family the future Edward VIII/Duke of Windsor was known as David.

[PssMarie-Elisabeth]

Originally Posted by maria-olivia

Queen Mary's first boy was called Edward and the second Albert ( future Georges VI).
Was is a remember of Mary's first fiance ?

Queen Mary and George V decided to name King George VI, Albert to appease Queen Victoria since he was born on the anniversary of her husband's death * oops *

[Dierna23]

Do we know anything about Eddie's feelings for Mary? Maybe through letters?

[Roderick]

After the engagement was announced Prince Albert Victor wrote to his aunt Princess Louise and her husband the Marquess of Lorne-

"I wonder if you were surprised when you saw that I was engaged? I daresay you were, for I must say I made up my mind rather suddenly, which I think however was the best thing after all, and it is really time that I thought of getting married, if I ever am to be. Anyway, it is now settled at last, and I think I have done well in my choice, for I feel certain May will make an excellent wife, and you may be certain that I shall do my best to make her a good husband. Your affectionate old nephew Eddy".

[Dierna23]

Thank you for the quote, Roderick! Doesn't sound like a love-story, but I knew before that it was more an arranged engagement. Mary was quite passed around IMO.

[Zonk]

I hardly think passed around is a term I would use.

Mary was familiar with both Wales boys and actually took some time to grieve before agreeing to marry George. It turns out that it was a good match as they (King George V and Queen Mary) were quite devoted to each other. Sometimes things happen for a reason.

[Dierna23]

Well, you shouldn't weigh up every word, dear Zonk. I know I have sometimes a bit of a sharp tongue but I never mean any offence by it. And I know it were very different times and very different society circles. I'm happy for Mary that it all turned well with George in later times! They were a good match IMO.

Its just a bit strange from today's view and it came through my mind when I read the quote from Eddie's letter. I have a feeling, George really was the better husband for Mary (not because of the letter but from what I've read and heard about Eddie's and George's characters).

[lac2003]

I think that "passed around" is a pretty good description of how Mary was treated. The senior royals decided that Mary was good marriage material, and just because one engagement didn't work, that doesn't mean she wasn't still a good candidate.
It seems cruel and inhumane in this day and age, but the whole function of royal women in a hereditary monarchy was (and still is?) to get married and have children. Mary knew that and I think pretty much accepted it.
If Eddy had become king, what do people think he would have styled himself as: Albert I, Victor I, or Edward VIII?