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Mary is kind of the poster child for the why women shouldn't rule brigade. It's unfortunate seeing as how she had so many role models around her who did it well: her own mother, her mother in law and Elizabeth I. Scotland was definitely a hard place to govern UT her French mother pulled it off.
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Marie of Guise wasn't perhaps quite so successful as has been portrayed. Her Secretary William Maitland had great influence over Marie and ultimately betrayed her to her enemies. By the last year of her life there was a battle for control of Scotland and she was in dire straits.
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Marie of Guise wasn't perhaps quite so successful as has been portrayed. Her Secretary William Maitland had great influence over Marie and ultimately betrayed her to her enemies. By the last year of her life there was a battle for control of Scotland and she was in dire straits.
Her illness may have played a big part in her latter years and her decisions.While there's no denying her tenacity I doubt even the courageous Marie de Guise could deal with the complex Scottish Lords during her short Regency.Also her main supporter,Henri II of France had died in July 1559 and left France bankrupt .
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February 8 was the anniversary of the execution of Mary queen of Scots in 1587.

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February 8 was the anniversary of the execution of Mary queen of Scots in 1587.

Tea at Trianon: The Execution of Mary Queen of Scots
The article mentioned that Mary should have returned to France. Her grandmother was still alive.
Antoinette, Duchesse de Guise died in 1583. What becomes of Mary then?
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Mary's son James received a full and gory account of Mary's execution from Archibald Douglas, the Earl of Angus. James seemed disinclined to believe it until he heard from Elizabeth's ambassador to Scotland, Sir Robert Carey.

There then followed several letters between Elizabeth and James in which Elizabeth seems to have stated that her Secretary Francis Davison had arranged the execution (after bringing her Council together) without her specific permission.

She did admit that, after hearing reports of a rescue by Spanish and French agents plus a planned invasion of England, she had signed Mary's death warrant.

Personally I do believe Elizabeth balked at putting her cousin to death, but in the end yielded to persuasion by her Ministers.
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She did admit that, after hearing reports of a rescue by Spanish and French agents plus a planned invasion of England, she had signed Mary's death warrant.
Mary was found guilty in the Babington Plot back in October 1586, sentenced was published December 1586. The warrant was drawn up by Cecil at that point. Elizabeth did not sign the death warrant until February 1, 1587.
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What Mary should have done to safeguard her position was to give her French husband Francis II a son. (I know he was sickly, but that would have saved her). She would remain Queen Regent instead of Catherine Medici, and not have needed to go to Scotland at all.


(Although...I once read a comment that if Elizabeth had been Queen of Scots, she'd have been proud of them and gloried in the role. Mary didn't think much of her own people and much preferred France.)
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Yes, she would have been safe and happy with the birth of a son. However, there were doubts expressed about whether the marriage had even been consummated, weren't there? Some reports have it that Francis had not reached puberty at the time of his death. There were worries expressed over his physique since babyhood.
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Yes, she would have been safe and happy with the birth of a son. However, there were doubts expressed about whether the marriage had even been consummated, weren't there? Some reports have it that Francis had not reached puberty at the time of his death. There were worries expressed over his physique since babyhood.

By all accounts he adored Mary, and would have accepted any child she had.
And who could object? Catherine's second son was known to be mentally disturbed, so perhaps everyone would have preferred Mary's child.
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Who knows! It was an unusual case, wasn't it, for one sovereign country to have a ruler who was queen consort of another? I can't believe that those who pressed for her marriage to the French heir didn't foresee any future difficulties.

Scotland experienced regular eruptions among its noblemen in Mary's lifetime and I really think Scotland would have preferred a king born and reared on home turf. A Prince born in France and brought up there might have been too much for the Scots to stomach. After all, when he became monarch his first allegiance would always have to be France, the more important realm.

If Mary and Francis had experienced a normal married life and produced several living children I suppose it might have been possible for her second son to be king of Scotland. After all, that was the way the Normans and some early Plantagenets played it, but there would still be great difficulties.

There's the religious question too. Calvinism was making great strides in Scotland during Mary's lifetime. Would the nation have accepted a Roman Catholic king?
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If Mary and Francis II had a son,he would have been brought up in France as he would have succeeded his father as King of France,whilst his mother was still the queen of Scotland.What would happen in Scotland after his mother died is a wild guess but I'd think a shrewd Guise uncle as Regent with a French army!
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On the next week tv schedule

The Last Days of Mary. Queen of Scots
Thursday 9th April on Channel 5 from 8:00pm to 9:00pm


Writers, thinkers and historians explore the downfall and legacy of six giants of history. In this episode, John Guy, Kate Williams, Robert Hutchinson and others battle out the legacy of Britain's most tragic queen. Was Mary Queen of Scots, brutally beheaded at only 44, a victim of her cousin Elizabeth's treachery, or the author of her own destruction?
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Mary, Queen of Scots: what happened to her ladies-in-waiting?

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A mansion near Jedburgh that hosted Mary Queen of Scots is up for sale!

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Mary Queen Of Scots,return to Scotland on August 19th,1561 and her personal rule.


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