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Old 07-11-2016, 04:34 PM
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July 10th : On This Day The Lady Jane Grey becomes Queen

#OnThisDay Lady Jane Grey becomes Queen – Royal Central
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Old 07-11-2016, 05:56 PM
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July 10th : On This Day The Lady Jane Grey becomes Queen

#OnThisDay Lady Jane Grey becomes Queen – Royal Central

Thank you for the reminder. Do you(or other members) feel that she should be called Lady Jane Dudley when referring to her after her marriage? I can't site references but it is the way she chose to be referred to after her marriage.
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Old 07-11-2016, 06:42 PM
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Jane is listed as the Lady Jane Grey on the British Monarchy site so that settles it for me: biggrin:

https://www.royal.uk/lady-jane-grey-r-10-19-july-1553
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Old 10-19-2018, 08:30 PM
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Lady Jane Grey was reluctant to accept the crown.
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-lad...-19868211.html
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Old 10-20-2018, 08:28 PM
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She knew she was a pawn. Mary was not going to take that quietly. Jane knew Mary was going to come. It was about who would succeed, and the other would have to die for treason.
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Old 10-31-2018, 05:13 AM
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Just saw a documentary on YouTube that painted Jane as reluctant to take the crown but once she had it she asserted herself as Queen. It also seemed to try to paint Northumberland in a better light as well as Jane's father.
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If Jane had converted to Roman Catholicism Mary and Philipp II would have spared her life.
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If Jane had converted to Roman Catholicism Mary and Philipp II would have spared her life.

Maybe Jane believed that they would not kill a queen or it didn't matter that much to her for she believed becoming catholic could end with her in hell.
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Old 10-31-2018, 03:53 PM
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I believed it was the latter of the two that caused Jane not to convert...she saw herself as a martyr for the Protestant/Reformed faith.

The example(s) of Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard were not that far away and must have impressed upon her that queens could indeed be executed...in Anne's case an anointed Queen Consort.

Jane Grey's life is one of the most tragic in English history imo. She deserved nothing of what happened to her.
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Didn't queen Mary sent the Abbot of Westminster,John Feckenham
to try and coax Lady Jane into recanting?

Lady Jane Grey's mother Frances Grey, Duchess of Suffolk had no issue with flip flopping in religious matters.
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2nd and 5th wives of Jane's great-uncle Henry VIII were Queens by marriage, and not even foreign Princesses (like Catherine of Aragon); in Jane's veins there was a Royal blood.
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Didn't matter.
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Hi Zonk, I know the movie you're talking about...they definitely romanticized Jane's marriage which looked like a marriage from hell in real life. I don't know if the story about her father taking part in Wyatt's rebellion is true.

I do know from another great book A Crown for Elizabeth that Mary spared Jane's mother because they had been childhood friends but Jane's mother Frances seemed the most conniving of the lot. Oddly enough, Frances went to Mary to beg for her husband's life but made no pleas for her daughter. Perhaps Jane was a lost cause by then but it did make you wonder what kind of family Jane was born into.
I saw the movie years ago. Have been thinking of renting in online again recently but know I will annoyed...I know that Jane was not “in love”with the boy as the movie shows nor did she wish to be queen, which I do think is shown at least. I feel sorriest for Jane of all the Tudor queens.

She was not actually crowned, was she?

Also, I hate to say it but most of the Holbein portraits of women look so much the same to me, save dark hair or reddish. Of course the headgear does not help. Especially the English version a la Catherine of Aragon. And even one painting alleged to be of K. Howard makes her look middle-ages (probably not Holbein). But even the French hood so called,meant to be far racier, is not great. I also never understood, and still don’t, why hair is seen to be erotic and forbidden/hidden in some religions. Of course I have no religion but still...it’s just hair. Presumably it goes back to the supposed “Eve” but what is she have meant to done with her tresses that made it such a “taboo” to be seen in later centuries, I wonder.
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Is it true that Jane's mother, Lady Frances, was abusive and cruel toward her daughter for her entire life?
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Is it true that Jane's mother, Lady Frances, was abusive and cruel toward her daughter for her entire life?
https://www.1843magazine.com/content...lady-jane-grey

Well this article exonerates her mother...so who really knows? Makes Jane herself out to be far more complicit than portrayed by popular history.
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Very informative, thank you!
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Very informative, thank you!
Yes, if true it does change things a bit...but it seems there are opinions for every side of every royal issue, especially in Tudor times.
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I gave in, and just rented Lady Jane to watch on this cold night. Last time I watched it, years ago, I had yet to develop my passionate interest in all things Tudor, so I went in knowing next to nothing. Will see how I feel about this time...:)

ETA oh dear...may have overspent my $2.99 lol
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I gave in, and just rented Lady Jane to watch on this cold night. Last time I watched it, years ago, I had yet to develop my passionate interest in all things Tudor, so I went in knowing next to nothing. Will see how I feel about this time...:)

ETA oh dear...may have overspent my $2.99 lol
As I remember it was wildly inaccurate.....
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As I remember it was wildly inaccurate.....
Wildly indeed. Cringed at parts, nearly laughed at others. They made Jane and Guildford into epic lovers soon after they married while despising each other. Guilford was initially portrayed as a drunken thug who gambled and attended whore houses. But only a few days into the honeymoon, suddenly he is a thoughtful socialist and Janes falls head over heels. Their 9-day reign was shown as a child’s shopping spree of wishes to be granted in the form of orders, freeing the prisoners, banning branding beggars, making the shilling in silver again, etc...while Jane began using the royal “we” instantly, despite fighting against the idea of being named queen. Also had them together in the tower, again like honeymooners before a roaring fire, which seems unlikely at best.

And Mary executed them under order of Spain, as a potential threat, but under that premise, which is true as far as I know or nearly so, Elizabeth was much more of one. So her arrest should have garnered the same fate.

Best to watch if you know nothing about this bit of history.
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