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Old 05-31-2014, 12:14 PM
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I think Edward V11 may well have given the exiled Romanovs refuge here, but he was very aware of 'realpolitik', and may have taken the warnings against it on board.

If he had been alive he may well have been able to prevent the outbreak of war [such was his influence with Wilhelm 11], and his wonderful diplomatic abilities.
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King George V doted on his eldest granddaughter, Princess Elizabeth.
As a little girl, he held her in his arms on the balcony at Buckingham Palace so she could hear the crowd cheer.




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That's interesting. Wasn't King George the one who allegedly never read a whole book during his entire life?
I'm pretty sure that was Edward VII; I just read that in an article on an Edwardian history website. He preferred parties, banquets and balls. However I've never thought of George V--or most of the royals for that matter--as intellectuals. His biographer was said to have a narrative problem about his time as Prince of Wales: All he did as PoW was shoot animals and lick stamps. Exceptions to the "anti-intellectual" strain is the Duke of Edinburgh, who's said to have thousands of books on subjects from animal husbandry to naval history to painting, and the Prince of Wales, whose wide interests include philosophy, opera and classical music. Beyond the two of them though, most of the senior royals are said to be less than intellectual. According to David Starkey, the Queen has very little understanding or interest in history before her grandfather and father.
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I'm pretty sure that was Edward VII; I just read that in an article on an Edwardian history website. He preferred parties, banquets and balls. However I've never thought of George V--or most of the royals for that matter--as intellectuals. His biographer was said to have a narrative problem about his time as Prince of Wales: All he did as PoW was shoot animals and lick stamps. Exceptions to the "anti-intellectual" strain is the Duke of Edinburgh, who's said to have thousands of books on subjects from animal husbandry to naval history to painting, and the Prince of Wales, whose wide interests include philosophy, opera and classical music. Beyond the two of them though, most of the senior royals are said to be less than intellectual. According to David Starkey, the Queen has very little understanding or interest in history before her grandfather and father.

I don't think David Starkey has a high opinion of the Queen (or women in general) and likes to say things that will stir up controversy. I think he's a great historian, but I'm not entirely sure on his stance towards things that are more contemporary in time.

The Queen was educated in constitutional history by the then vice-provost of Eton. While she might not be overly interested in history (or may simply not have been interested in the history that Starkey was telling her at the time) I have a hard time believing that the only history she knows goes back to less than 30 years before her birth. If memory serves the whole "she only knows the history of her father and grandfather" bit came from his critique on her Christmas speeches - she mentions her father and grandfather sometimes, but doesn't go further back than that. Except the purpose of the Christmas speeches isn't to give people a Christmas Day history lecture, it's to send out a message of "this is the highlights of the past year, and this is the hope for the upcoming one." Her father and grandfather came come up somewhat naturally, especially in earlier ones where she was talking to a nation who certainly lived under her father's reign if not also her grandfaher's, as a lot of the speeches seem to touch on family. Going into greater history isn't part of the point, but that doesn't mean that the Queen doesn't know anything more historic.

Back on the topic of George V's education, if memory serves he was poorly educated. I read in a biography of Queen Mary that one of the big differences between her and her husband was that she had been so well educated, and he knew very little. It seems like this is something of a trend among the post-Victoria monarchs; Victoria stressed the education of her children, causing her son Edward VII to be miserable, so he didn't stress the education of his children, causing George V to be uneducated and resulting in he and his wife stressing the education of their children, causing George VI to be miserable and resulting in him not stressing the education of his daughters - it was Queen Mary who really pushed the education of her granddaughters pre-abdication. The Queen then stressed the education of Charles, who didn't lax on the education of William but certainly approached it with a softer attitude.
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George V though was the second son as a child and wasn't expected to be the future king and so was sent to the navy when about 12 years of age as that was seen as the best way to become a naval officer in those days.

As for Charles not pushing William's education - I disagree. William was sent to one of the best schools in England and then to one of the best universities in the UK - similar to Charles' education - although William did have four years at uni while Charles had only three. They have both been taught their constitutional roles by The Queen herself.

As for Starkey - well he has his good points and poor points as an historian but The Queen certainly does know her history before George V - I remember one Christmas broadcast where she had Edward and Andrew as boys on the sofa and is talking to them about Edward VII and another where she refers to Edward building Sandringham.
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I didn't say that Charles didn't push William's education, only that he took a softer approach to it. William got a really good education, but Charles didn't push it on him at the expense of his own happiness. Charles also got a really good education, but it was pushed on him at that expense.
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Sorry Ish I misunderstood.
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Perhaps what you say is correct; perhaps it isn't. While the Princess Elizabeth was educated for two or three hours a day in constitutional history by Henry Marten, the Queen didn't think the education of her and the Princess Margaret needed to be any more rigorous than her's had been. Elizabeth learned to speak fluent French, write a good hand and took an hour's walk every day as part of her education. And while the Queen may have a bit more interest in history than I have previously discussed, her principal interests are horses and corgis. The Duke of Edinburgh once remarked at the granting of an honorary doctorate at the University of London to him and the Duchess of Edinburgh, that their one aspiration was to see a university from the inside, that they "all" (the royals) were so poorly educated. The Duke of Windsor is said to have been notoriously anti-intellectual, having never heard of the Bronte family (one of the most famous literary families in Britain) and mispronounced their name.
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In The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Royal Britain, the following is stated:

George V faced the formation of the first Labour government in 1924, the General Strike of 1926 and the economic crisis of 1930-31. Throughout all these difficulties he was a force for common sense and decency, urging moderation and national unity.
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