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Old 01-19-2010, 06:36 AM
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you are welcome.....
although i do own the greg king book , which deals with alexandra empress of russia....my chief source amongst others is the excellent book "alexandra, princess and queen" wrtten by the renowned author david duff, who has written several books on 19th century royalty.....

alexandra, princess and queen is the best (and my favorite) book, which i have read regarding queen alexandra, it is a very inimate portrait giving recognition to alexandra, both as a woman and as a queen!!

anyone who has a interest in queen alexandra, should have a read of this book, you wont be disappointed !!
btw as it was first published by collins, back in 1980, i dare say it will be out of print now though !!

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Yesterday night I was reading a chapter of the biography of Empress Alexandra of Russia, by Greg King; the chapter was about Alexandra's mother, Alice, and talked about the contrast inside the British Royal Family due to the Schleswig-Holstein War: Queen Victoria supported Prussia, the Prince and Princess of Wales (Edward and Alexandra) supported Christian IX of Denmark, while Alice and her husband, Prince Ludwig of Hesse and by Rhine, supported the claims of Duke Christian August of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg (later father in law of Princess Helena, daughter of Queen Victoria and sister of Edward and Alice).
Minnie was very opposed to the German's as well due to the earlier war that took a lot of Danish land.
Poor Victoria, she had so many children she had to marry them somewhere.
Edward VII was a great comfort to Minnie after her husband Alexander III died.
(BTW Greg King has a lot of good books out.)
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I'm sorry, but who's Minnie?
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Old 01-19-2010, 11:15 PM
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minnie was the family name for alexandra's sister, dagmar (empress marie feodorovna ) the wife of tsar alexander III of russia !!
btw the family name for queen alexandra was alix.....
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Yes, sometimes it can get confusing for me because Queen Alexandra of Great Britain and Tsarina Alexandra of Russia both were called Alix!
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Yes, it's indeed confusing. Tsarina Alexandra of Russia was christened Victoria Alix Helena Louise Beatrice von Hessen-Darmstadt and by Rhine. So, one of her names was actually Alix, but she later became Alexandra after she married and became Empress consort of Russia. Her nickname was Alicky, right?
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Yes, she was called Alicky.
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She was nicknamed Alicky or Sunny.
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Old 01-20-2010, 04:56 AM
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minnie was the family name for alexandra's sister, dagmar (empress marie feodorovna ) the wife of tsar alexander III of russia !!
btw the family name for queen alexandra was alix.....
Okay. Thanks.
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minnie was the family name for alexandra's sister, dagmar (empress marie feodorovna ) the wife of tsar alexander III of russia !!
btw the family name for queen alexandra was alix.....

Welcome back, JonnyDep! I was very disappointed to receive your goodbye because I had no means to contact you. I'm glad you returned and provided us with more information about Queen Alexandra. She was a fascinating woman and warm-hearted as well. Although I also admired Empress Alexandra, Queen Alexandra's niece by marriage, Alicky, or Sunny as she was called when a child, was distant and aloof compared to Queen Alexandra. This was probably caused by the deaths of Alicky's mother and sibling at a young age.
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I understand that Alicky was very shy and uncomfortable around people so it made her appear cold and aloof. I don't know if this is true, but it may have contributed to her being unpopular in Russia unlike her Aunt Alexandra in Britain.
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Old 01-21-2010, 05:21 AM
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alexandra, princess and queen" wrtten by the renowned author david duff

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I wonder does David Duff mention Alexandra's devoted
companion.. (whose name escapes me.... ) surely their
relationship was more than platonic... through those long
years when her husband was away persuing a career as a serial womanizer !
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Old 01-21-2010, 05:42 AM
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The relationship of Queen Alexandra and Oliver Montague is discussed earlier in this thread. There is no author or historian who regarded it as more than a platonic relationship. Queen Alexandra put her energies into her children, family and friends when her husband strayed from the marriage rather than pursue an extra-marital relationship herself.
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Old 01-21-2010, 07:16 AM
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Welcome back, JonnyDep! I was very disappointed to receive your goodbye because I had no means to contact you. I'm glad you returned and provided us with more information about Queen Alexandra. She was a fascinating woman and warm-hearted as well. Although I also admired Empress Alexandra, Queen Alexandra's niece by marriage, Alicky, or Sunny as she was called when a child, was distant and aloof compared to Queen Alexandra. This was probably caused by the deaths of Alicky's mother and sibling at a young age.
all this talk about alicky has reminded me at one time she considered as a wife to prince albert victor, duke of clarence, the eldest son of edward and alexandra.

prince albert victor was a problem prince. he being lazy, backward and sexually unstable. it is said he visited a homosexual brothel in cleveland street, off tottenham court road !!. it was decided by the family to have him married off as soon as possiable. but who was he to marry ? the queen favored a german bride, whilst alexandra, the princess of wales did not, alexandra did not want be part in setting up a german princess on the british throne !!

the queens choice was her granddaugher, alicky of hesse !!. alexandra only consented to the match, due to the fact, that the hesse family was almost as anti prussian as herself !!. however alicky wanted nothing to do with it (she was in love with the tsarevich nicholas of russia) and declared " only if i am forced to marry him, i will do so, but i feel that we will not be happy !!" and so it came to nothing !!
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The relationship of Queen Alexandra and Oliver Montague is discussed earlier in this thread. There is no author or historian who regarded it as more than a platonic relationship. Queen Alexandra put her energies into her children, family and friends when her husband strayed from the marriage rather than pursue an extra-marital relationship herself.
yes i very much agree....

oliver and alexandra adored and understood each other....thay played the part of knight and fairy princess to perfection !!. there was never a hint of scandal attached to their relationship.

however it is said he did fall in love with alexandra and there an underlying sadness in this unfulfilled love, a sadness hurting him more than it hurt her. he once wrote to his father the earl of sanwich revealing the truth..

"outwardly he was a noisy crowing brute but if everyone what knew his inward feelings are and what he had to go through inwardly they would not evy his existence. i know not of anyone put into the unfortunate positition that i have been and yet, thank god, to have got through the worst without damage to others."

oliver had to put before the world the picture of a rock hard officer of the blues, proof against the emotional weaknesses of men, for ever loyal to the prince of wales !!.
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Under this aspect, Prince Albert Victor was very unlucky: he was quite in love with Alicky, but she refused him; then he fell in love with Princess Helene of Orleans, daughter of the Count of Paris, but she was Catholic and both the Pope and her father didn't allow this marriage because she would have converted to the Anglicanism.
Finally Eddy got engaged with Princess Mary of Teck, they agreed to marry, and he died just a couple of weeks before the wedding day.
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There is no author or historian who regarded it as more than a platonic relationship.
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but so often these biographers are vetted and only
then are they allowed access to the royal archives
The resulting biog is tame and uncontroversial.
I cant believe that Oliver and Alix were together for
all those years without a physical relationship...
it goes against all the laws of nature...
Alix was extremely attractive ............ and neglected by her hedonistic, womanizing husband.

Maybe their "secret, discreet romance is a film waiting
to be made ? "
( No doubt Victoria was keeping a close watch... and knew
everything that was happening ! )
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Old 01-21-2010, 11:19 AM
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Prince Albert Victor fell in love with Princess Helene of Orleans, daughter of the Count of Paris, but she was Catholic and both the Pope and her father didn't allow this marriage because she would have converted to the Anglicanism.
and he had the full backing of his mother alexandra !!

alexandra saw no great handicap on the religious side. her sister had converted to the russian creed and her brother waldemar had married a catholic, marie d'orleans, a first cousin of helene's. being a dane alexandra did not fully understand the british constitution !!.

the queen had already issued a warning to the prince to not get involved with helene, due to her beinig a catholic.....but alexandra hatched a plan to win over the queen, who was a romantic at heart, surely if the queen could see the loving couple together, her heart would go out to them and give her consent to the match !!.

alexandra, eddy (prince albert victor) and helene was house guests at mar lodge, braemar, the family home of the duke and duchess of fife (princess louise, elder daugther of alexandra). the queen was at balmoral castle at the time and at such times was at her most amenable. alexandra now suggested to the couple to pay the queen on an unexpected visit. they glady took up the sugguestion and visited the queen who loved surprises of this sort......moved to tears by eddy's and helene's professing their love for each other, the old queen gave the couple her blessing !!
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Oliver and Alix were together for
all those years without a physical relationship...
it goes against all the laws of nature...
Alix was extremely attractive ............ and neglected by her hedonistic, womanizing husband.
alexandra was not that interested in sex. she was a sexually cold person, (why else do you think that edward went elsewhere for his pleasures....after all he had the sexual appetite of the hanoverians).....so taking this into account, it is very unlikely that alexandra and oliver had a sexual relationship !!
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I think that Princess Alexandra and Elizabeth of Austria were the two outstanding
Royal beauties of the day and they actually
met up ..... (in Vienna I think ) .... when Alix and Bertie were en routeto Egypt..........
yes you are correct, this was the very first time that alexandra had met the empress.....both had two loves in common, clothes and horses !!

upon meeting in the hofburg, the empress (herself dressed all in white and sparkling with diamonds) is said to have to said to alexandra " you and i are the only royals in europe to know how to dress" . a diplomat who saw them together noted that such beauty would never to be seen again !!.
the two women, during the week long visit, spent many hours together appraising the 500 horses in the imperial stables.......
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