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Old 10-27-2017, 04:43 AM
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well its harldly like titltes etc give you any power nowadays. For a senior royal like George VI and at least his eldest heir, its all about work. and with the War it was a lot of work and little glamour or glory and by then there was NO royal power and hardly any influence.
Eliz enjoyed the job, I think when she got used to it, but she enjoyed private life too, being devoted to her husband and children. So being Queen wasn't something she wanted at the age it came to her and was then followed very soon by the most terrible of World Wars.

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Elizabeth wasn't always plump, had a beautiful complexion and very blue eyes. Wallis was no beauty herself. Huge jaw, unsightly mole, gigantic hands.

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not being rude but I think the QM was far better looking than Wallis. Wallis was mannish looking, thin, boney, which was one reason why people did wonder what her hold was on Edward. THe QM was very pretty as a girl, and attractive into middle age
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Old 10-27-2017, 10:20 AM
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Are you kidding? Of course she would have wanted the King to live. That would mean she would retain her position.

Her time as Queen Consort was cut short when she was finally getting the taste of it.
Or perhaps she would have wanted the King to live because he was her husband and she loved him.
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Old 10-28-2017, 06:49 AM
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Elizabeth was quite fond of being "a plump, plain" Duchess of York and blamed him becoming king for the early death of her husband so I'm quite sure she'd preferred to stay that way.
In the end she might've been Queen anyway after the death of her brother-in-law.
She would certainly have been. I think it was obvious by the early 30s that David wasn't going to marry and have children, so then she and Bertie were next in line.
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Old 10-29-2017, 04:50 PM
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Or perhaps she would have wanted the King to live because he was her husband and she loved him.
But not just for the sake of it, it was also because of what it meant to her position.
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Old 10-29-2017, 04:56 PM
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But not just for the sake of it, it was also because of what it meant to her position.
And what evidence si there for this? Other people have pointed out that all her letters show that she didn't want to be queen, that the abdication was a big trauma to her and Bertie..
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Old 10-29-2017, 05:18 PM
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Yes, come on Kronprinz. If that is what you believe then can we please have some evidence to back it up. Published letters, documentation of 1935/36 that show Elizabeth plotting this, wanting her husband on the throne, and also the same in 1952 desperately unhappy about her 'reduced' position and wishing to remain Queen Consort.

Not just your assertions, thanks, or anti Elizabeth/pro Wallis and Edward books written later, but some genuine proof that what you write is the truth and everything others have put forward is incorrect..
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Old 10-29-2017, 05:39 PM
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Are you kidding? Of course she would have wanted the King to live. That would mean she would retain her position.

Her time as Queen Consort was cut short when she was finally getting the taste of it.
Do you have any sources to back up your beliefs? It seems you are projecting your views onto the Queen Mother when nothing reliable has ever said she desired to be Queen and was only sorry her husband died because she lost out on position to her daughter.
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Old 10-29-2017, 05:59 PM
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I too am awaiting credible references for Kronprinz's statements. That's the beauty of these discussions. They aim to be credible and actually, over time, can serve as an archive for those coming to the thread and wanting to get a good, clear understanding of who a person really was.
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