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The stakes would have been awfully high if he hadn't survived, though.
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Old 08-25-2008, 08:35 PM
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Anne Boleyn hasnīt come down in history as a very nice person, she was very ambitious, too sure of herself and demanding and haughty, and her treatment of some of the people of the court was downright cruel BUT I feel very sorry for her as she was, in my opinion, innocent of what she was accused of and was put to death for a crime she did not commit. .
True, Anne did make a lot of enemies at court on her rise and reign, but let us also remember the good things she done too:

  • She gave $1500 pounds a year to the poor
  • Sewed shirts for the poor
  • She was also a generous patron of charity, distributing alms to poor relief and funds to educational foundations
In addition to this - I love the irony that what Henry wanted most of all was a son, a King to carry on his dynasty, yet he got Elizabeth - who was all that, but in a woman, and was Anne Boleyn's daughter.
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Old 08-25-2008, 08:38 PM
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I heard the series is scrumptious, but not historically accurate.
It is scrumptious, but so wrong in so many places!!!
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Old 09-27-2008, 11:11 AM
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Hi guys, I just wanted to share an observation that I made. It seems that Henry was of the mindset that the grass is always greener on the other side. Every time he remarried, his new wife had something the previous one didn't. Let's take a look:

To begin with, Catherine of Aragon... she brought with her the dowry that Henry VII and VIII didn't want to give back.

Ann Boleyn- She had sin, was unobtainable, and offered a new hope.

Jane Seymour- She was submissive; Ann was not.

Ann of Cleves- She was of royal blood; Jane was not.

Catherine Howard- In Henry's mind, she was very physically attractive. She was very vibrant and passionate, something he didn't see in Ann of Cleves.

Catherine Parr- She had maturity; whereas, Catherine Howard was very young and immature.

I'm probably missing a lot of factors, but this is just a quick observation that could be wrong or could be right.

In my opinion, all of his wives at the time of marriage offered the hope of producing a male heir.
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Old 09-27-2008, 11:34 AM
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Catherine Howard may have been very like Anne Boleyn to look at which may have been an attraction, he thought that Catherine was a very innocent young version of
Anne, he was very wrong but he couldnīt have known that until much later.
Poor silly Catherine was pushed into the lionīs den by her ambitious relatives. The physical likeness may have been there but Anne was a very well educated sophisticated young woman who, unfortunately for her, overestimated her power whereas Catherine was just a foolish, rather flighty young girl.
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Old 09-27-2008, 02:33 PM
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You think that the Howard relatives would have learned with the death of Anne. Poor Catherine was out of her league from the get go.

What is really disturbing is that most (if not all) of these were used as pawns. Yes, perhaps they did get something out of it (or appeared to) but there is really no other way to look at it.

Catherine of Aragon - used by Spain
Anne Bolyen - those Howard relatives. She wanted to marry for love (Harry Percy) and they killed that.
Jane Seymour - save the son I can get another wife
Anne of Cleves - political alliance. Although she got the better deal. Beloved sister and all.
Catherine Howard - those Howard relatives again
Catherine Parr - marries old men what three times? Marries for love the last time...and he cheats on her
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Ambition is a terrible thing. Those poor Howard girls were used very badly.
There didnīt seem to be any feelings towards them at all, they were both betrayed by their family.
I wonder what would have happened if Anne Boleyn had married Percy? She may have turned out to be a much nicer person, I think she was terribly hurt when his father said she wasnīt good enough and by becoming Queen felt, perhaps, that she had had sweet revenge. That it all turned out so badly for her was another story.
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Old 09-28-2008, 01:43 AM
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Catherine Parr - marries old men what three times? Marries for love the last time...and he cheats on her
And she DIES. That SOOO sucks!!
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Old 09-28-2008, 03:26 AM
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Catherine Parr died of childbirth if I remember rightly, the cause of so many women dying in those days, I read in a book, that that was one of the main reasons young women entered convents, they were really scared.
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Old 09-28-2008, 08:22 PM
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I read in a book awhile back that parents thought it kinder to their daughters to marry them to older men who had the experience to bring them into married life gently. The younger men were seen as a bit unseasoned and like young stallions which wouldn't have necessarily been a soothing thought for a young girl on her wedding night especially if she knew little about the birds and the bees.

I don't know if that's true.

There is a quite charming book though of a 40 something Italian nobleman who wrote a book of instructions on housekeeping for his teenage wife.
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Old 10-21-2008, 06:14 AM
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There is a quite charming book though of a 40 something Italian nobleman who wrote a book of instructions on housekeeping for his teenage wife.
ysbel, if you have time what is the name of this book? Sounds like a good read and insight to that time period. Thanks.

I always thought that King Henry VIII's first wife, Catherine of Aragon was the strongest of all his Queens. I believe she lived a life as a true royal would under the terrible situation. And also I believe the whole six wives thing open up a lot of bad karma for King Henry and his three children.
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Old 10-22-2008, 02:35 AM
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ysbel, if you have time what is the name of this book? Sounds like a good read and insight to that time period. Thanks.
Sounds to me like she's thinking of Leon Battista Alberti's The Book of the Family, which I read excerpts of in college. Quite an interesting read, then again, I rather enjoy Italian Renaissance literature.
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I always thought that King Henry VIII's first wife, Catherine of Aragon was the strongest of all his Queens. I believe she lived a life as a true royal would under the terrible situation. And also I believe the whole six wives thing open up a lot of bad karma for King Henry and his three children.
I'm reading "The Constant Princess" by Philippa Gregory and thought that it was really good eventhough I'm in the first part of the book only. The book illustrates Catherine's early years as a princess before marrying Henry's brother. I always thought too that she was the strongest of Henry's queens. Too bad Henry was attracted to Anne Boleyn. If he didn't marry Anne, England would have been Catholic up until today. At least that was my observation....
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Old 11-16-2008, 11:59 AM
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King Henry VIII's love for Queen Anne revealed. And a lanch of State Papers Online this Tuesday to let people read about the period. Online sounds like it is going to be an interesting site. Hope I can find it.

Henry VIII's love for Anne Boleyn revealed - Telegraph

I just noticed that I put King Henry VIII on the wrong topic of discussion sorry, hope you can move.
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Henry was certainly love sick, Anne had him just where she wanted him until she gave in to him. The old story of the grass is always greener on the other side.
It gave her a feeling of great power and ultimately, well we all know what happened to poor Anne, I am sure that she went to her death truly puzzled to what had gone wrong.
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I have read somewhere (although we know that the executioner for Anne was delayed and hence her execution was delayed) that although we dont know anything of her birthdate, that she was executed on 19 May because it was apparently her birthday -

has anyone else come across this?
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King Henry VIII's suit of armour from later in life.

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He's infamous for beheading two of his wives, but it has emerged that Henry VII had a much softer side.

Henry VIII reveals his softer side in never-before-seen gushing love letter to Anne Boleyn | Mail Online
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Hmmmm... the title of this thread made me think. What do we mean when we say "Wives of Henry VIII"? Do you mean Katherine of Aragon, Anne Boleyn, Jane Seymour, Anne of Cleves, Katherine Howard and Katherine Parr (thus including three/four marriages that never existed in the eyes of law)? Or do you mean Katherine of Aragon, Jane Seymour and Katherine Parr (those recognized by the Roman Catholic Church)? OR do you mean only Jane Seymour and Katherine Parr? As you all know, in the eyes of the English law, Henry VIII was lawfully married only twice. So which women do you consider Henry VIII's rightful consorts?
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