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Old 11-08-2010, 12:20 PM
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Wow, never thought the RH factor could explain the miscarriages and stillbirths. Makes sense to me.
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Old 11-18-2010, 12:53 AM
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Wow, never thought the RH factor could explain the miscarriages and stillbirths. Makes sense to me.
I believe that I read the Anne did indeed have the RH factor, and she would not have been able to have a sucessful 2nd pregnancy to term. So she was pretty much done. I can't remember which book I read that. I will continue to look. So many Anne and Henry VII books
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Old 11-19-2010, 07:06 PM
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I believe that I read the Anne did indeed have the RH factor, and she would not have been able to have a sucessful 2nd pregnancy to term. So she was pretty much done. I can't remember which book I read that. I will continue to look. So many Anne and Henry VII books
I have the Rh factor also. It could explain the stillbirths of either queen. A second pregnancy could have been successful had the baby inherited the Rh negative, but if Henry inherited the RH positive from both parents, then all children would have the Rh positive, which would result in problems after the first pregnancy caused the queen's body to create antibodies to the Rh positive factor. I never heard of that theory before, but it is a possible explanation.
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Old 11-21-2010, 01:23 PM
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I believe that I read the Anne did indeed have the RH factor, and she would not have been able to have a sucessful 2nd pregnancy to term. So she was pretty much done. I can't remember which book I read that. I will continue to look. So many Anne and Henry VII books
Please do try to find that Zonk! I want to know what the source is for that information.

If Anne was Rh Negative, that could not be known without a blood sample or DNA evidence to prove it.

I'm not disputing that she may have been Rh Negative, but I would simply love to know how that determination was made.
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Old 11-27-2010, 01:10 PM
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Anne Boleyn: The Reproductive Problems of Henry VIII's Second Wife - Rh Negative or Just Stressed? - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com This is a link to an article that explains the possible causes of Anne's miscarriages after the birth of Elizabeth. All of them seem to be very possible, especially if put together.
Also I would like to add a bit about Queen Catherine and her diet... I have read in various books that Catherine had a very difficult time adjusting to the food in England..It was very different from what she was accustomed to eating in Spain. She especially never liked English ale, as she was more used to drinking fruit juices, wine and even clean water in Spain, esp after her parents captured the Alhambra and took up residence there. She was also more used to eating fresh fruits and vegetables which just were not as available in England, which relied heavily on a diet of cooked heavily spiced meats and breads. IMO maybe this diet just never agreed with her and led to frequent digestive upsets. She is also known to have fasted frequently as she was extremely pious in her beliefs, and I doubt that would have been a good thing for someone who suffered with digestive problems to begin with.
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Old 11-28-2010, 07:38 PM
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Interesting article, Lady Nemesis, thank you for posting the link. Too bad we cannot go back in time to verify what caused the miscarriages. Today women continue to have miscarriages and it could have been any number of factors, such as Rh negative blood and stress, which caused Anne to miscarry after Elizabeth's successful birth. Pity -- her reproductive failures sealed her doom.
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Old 11-28-2010, 07:41 PM
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I don't believe in destiny,but considering that bad luck plays sometimes key roles,then who knows why the Dinasty of Tudors dissapeared so unexpectedly
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Old 12-15-2010, 05:17 PM
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Didn't she die of stomach cancer? Who knows how long the tumor was there? That could have been the source of the digestive problems too.
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Old 12-15-2010, 09:49 PM
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One thing that article leaves out re: the syphillis option is the presence of that intractible sore on his 'upper thigh' aka groin which is called a 'shanker' by modern physicians and is diagnostic for syphillis. It also accounts for the fact that any of the wives who became pregnant sucessfully delivered the first child (when the infection was early), but as the syphillis progressed, miscarriages/stillbirths would be the expected course.
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Old 12-16-2010, 01:31 PM
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One thing that article leaves out re: the syphillis option is the presence of that intractible sore on his 'upper thigh' aka groin which is called a 'shanker' by modern physicians and is diagnostic for syphillis. It also accounts for the fact that any of the wives who became pregnant sucessfully delivered the first child (when the infection was early), but as the syphillis progressed, miscarriages/stillbirths would be the expected course.
True, but I have wondered, given his obesity in later years, if he might have been diabetic. An unhealing ulceration like that can happen in diabetes, and it could have made him impotent with his last couple of wives, also.
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One thing that article leaves out re: the syphillis option is the presence of that intractible sore on his 'upper thigh' aka groin which is called a 'shanker' by modern physicians and is diagnostic for syphillis. It also accounts for the fact that any of the wives who became pregnant sucessfully delivered the first child (when the infection was early), but as the syphillis progressed, miscarriages/stillbirths would be the expected course.
See, I always thought about that myself, however, it's been bandied about enough though never proven. Can they (scientists) run tests on Great Harry now to determine if he had it? Would be interesting to know.
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True, but I have wondered, given his obesity in later years, if he might have been diabetic. An unhealing ulceration like that can happen in diabetes, and it could have made him impotent with his last couple of wives, also.
Could be both, not either or. They are not mutually exclusive.
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See, I always thought about that myself, however, it's been bandied about enough though never proven. Can they (scientists) run tests on Great Harry now to determine if he had it? Would be interesting to know.
I would imagine that if the BRF were to allow them to exhume H8, they could definitavely diagnose it. I cant imagine why the BRF would...in order to let them prove he had syphillis? No upside there.
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Old 12-16-2010, 10:11 PM
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There is a special tonight on a cable station (Can't remember it and I missed it) regarding Henry's health. They basically think that Henry had some health issues and these issues affected him so much, he basically had a personality change.

Did anyone catch it?
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Old 12-16-2010, 10:31 PM
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In 1985 I was with a group who was touring England for a month. We were studying about the Tudor Period. We went to Westminster Abbey and we were listening to a tour guide tell us about the history of the Abbey. I'm sitting in one of the pews and felt this terrible pain in my ankle. It felt like someone had their hand around my ankle and were squeezing it. It started to hurt. I happened to look down after the tour guide was talking about monarchs that were buried in the abbey. I saw the words Henry VIII written where my feet were. I moved my feet and the pain went away. Someone told me later that he was buried underneath the floor where my feet had been. This person was not in our group and the tour guide just rolled his eyes, so I don't know if this was true (if he actually was buried near where people sit). When I got up to leave I accidently stepped where my feet had been and felt a sharp pain in my ankle. Everyone just rolled their eyes at me. No one else of course had any experience like this. Sometimes it seems like it only me that has these strange experiences when visiting old churches or old castles.

I would say leave well enough alone.
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Old 12-22-2010, 03:42 PM
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I am certain that Henry VIII is not buried at Westminster Abbey, I think he's buried at St. George"s Chapel at Windsor Castle next to his 3rd wife Jane Seymour
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I am certain that Henry VIII is not buried at Westminster Abbey, I think he's buried at St. George"s Chapel at Windsor Castle next to his 3rd wife Jane Seymour

You are right. Henry VIII is buried at St Georges with Jane.
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He is buried at St. George's. The remains of Henry VIII, Jane Seymour, King Charles I and Queen Anne's infant child are all under a marble slab. The scarcophagus(sp?) originally made for Henry VIII holds the remains of Admiral Lord Nelson in St. Paul's.
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Sometimes it seems like it only me that has these strange experiences when visiting old churches or old castles.
That is a cool tale nascarlucy. BTW I love Tony Stewart.
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He is buried at St. George's. The remains of Henry VIII and Jane Seymour
This is way I think if King Henry VIII loved anyone of his wives, because he is buried with Queen Jane he loved her much more than any other wife. I think this action speaks volumes. Queen Jane gave him is son.
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