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I based my list on male primogeniture which operated at the time (and now too, come to that) in Britain.
Good to know we agree on those on the list: I wondered whether we had counted the same people among those 58 ahead of George of Hanover.
Interestingly, some of those royal didn't have claims to the Throne in their own countries (being female-line descendants) but did have rights to the British Throne.

I wonder whether the Parliament went through the names of every single one of these people before disqualifying them for various reasons.
It must have been a relief to stumble upon the "eligible" Sophia.
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I've wondered about that myself. My guess is that they went for Sophia because of her large family which gave the prospect of a long term Protestant future and the fact that her son was a ruler in his own right and therefore of a suitable status to wear the Crown of Great Britain. Some of those ahead of her may have been suitable Protestants, but with no family so the prospect of another succession crisis lay ahead.
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The very name of the Act makes the intention crystal clear - the Act of Settlement - whereby the Parliament settled the succession issue once and for all. The Act's effectiveness is demonstrated by the fact that for the three hundred years that have passed since the death of Queen Anne, succession to the British Crown has been both assured and seamless.
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The succession was not TOO sure when Queen Victoria's father had to scramble to produce an heir, since the last heiress had died. If there were other waiting heirs I suppose the Duke of Kent would not have left his mistress of decades to marry a Protestant princess so that he might have a child when he was over 50, to secure the throne to his immediate family. Now that we see the list of 58 from an earlier generation, we might assume there still were heirs available other than the as-yet unborn Victoria. I believe one of the Duke's brothers also had an heir, in his middle age, but she was younger than Victoria.

Have you ever read the sparse material about the Duke of Kent and his long term Catholic mistress? This couple were faithful to one another for many years but could not marry. I forget her name, except to say that she was descended on her mother's side from the illustrious Colonna's of Italy, who produced two popes, a poet, and many politicians. The poet was Vittoria Colonna.

I read about this couple when I was looking for possible ancestors of myself in the royal lines, even illegitimate, to explain why I have the royal malady Porphyria. I found, thus, the longterm relationship of the Duke of Kent and his mistress, which some sources say produced offspring. The first offspring was Robert Woods, and I too have a Robert Woods ancestor, but reading the genealogy records at the Mormon church nearby (on microfilm) I see that Robert Woods, son of the Duke of Kent, was a generation off from my likely Robert Woods, and there are thousands of Robert Woods, anyway, in the pool--it's a common name. The Duke was supposed to have given his first son to his aide to raise back in Kent, and the son was supposed to have married Charlotte Grey, daughter of Earl Grey (of tea fame). Victoria suppressed knowledge of her father's illegitimate children--also something I read when reading about this--can't vouch for its truth.
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Marrying and siring a potential Heir to the Throne usually meant increase in Parliamentary allowance, which is why George III's unmarried children hastened to comply with the King's wishes and marry. However, there were plenty of descendants of Sophie of Hanover around - just few descendants of George III. In fact, there nearly 150 descendants of George II living in 1837 (the year of Queen Victoria's accession), and at least twice as many descendants of Sophia, Electress of Hanover through other lines.

The Line of Succession (George III's descendants) looked like this:
1. Princess Victoria (later Queen Victoria)
2. Prince Ernest Augustus, Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale, later Ernest Augustus I of Hanover (son of George III)
3. Prince George of Cumberland, later George V of Hanover (son of Prince Ernest Augustus)
4. Prince Augustus Frederick, Duke of Sussex (son of George III)
5. Prince Adolphus, Duke of Cambridge (son of George III)
6. Prince of Cambridge (son of Prince Adolphus, Duke of Cambridge)
7. Princess Augusta of Cambridge (daughter of Prince Adolphus)
8. Princess Mary Adelaide of Cambridge (daughter of Prince Adolphus, Duke of Cambridge)
9. Princess Augusta Sophia (daughter of George III)
10. Princess Elizabeth, later Landgravine of Hesse-Homburg (daughter of George III)
11. Princess Mary, later Duchess of Gloucester and Edinburgh (daughter of George III)
12. Princess Sophia (daughter of George III)

Some of those in the list had heirs (born after 1837), including the Hanover line.
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However, if George III's line completely died out (if none of the 12 people mentioned above left legitimate descendants), and all of them, for whatever reasons, died before 1837, then next in the Line would have been George II's other descendants.

As of 20 June 1837, they were:

{Part 1}
1. Princess Sophia of Gloucester (daughter of Prince William, Duke of Gloucester, the son of Frederick, Prince of Wales, the son of George II)
2. Charles II, Duke of Brunswick (son of Frederick, Duke of Brunswick, son of Princess Augusta of Great Britain, daughter of Frederick, Prince of Wales)
3. William, Duke of Brunswick (son of Frederick, Duke of Brunswick)
4. William I of Wurttemberg (son of Duchess Augusta of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel, daughter of Princess Augusta of Great Britain)
5. Charles I of Wurttemberg (son of William I of Wurttemberg)
6. Marie of Wurttemberg (daughter of William I of Wurttemberg)
7. Sophie of Wurttemberg (daughter of William I of Wurttemberg)
8. Catherine of Wurttemberg (daughter of William I of Wurttemberg)
9. Augusta of Wurttemberg (daughter of William I of Wurttemberg)
10. Prince Paul of Wurttemberg (son of Duchess Augusta of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel, daughter of Princess Augusta of Great Britain)
11. Frederick Karl August of Wurttemberg (son of Prince Paul of Wurttemberg)
12. Prince August of Wurttemberg (son of Prince Paul of Wurttemberg)
13. Friederike Charlotte of Wurttemberg (daughter of Prince Paul of Wurttemberg)
14. Grand Duke George Mikhailovich of Russia (son of Friederike Charlotte of Wurttemberg)
15. Grand Duchess Maria Mikhailovna of Russia (daughter of Friederike Charlotte of Wurttemberg)
16. Grand Duchess Elizabeth Mikhailovna of Russia (daughter of Friederike Charlotte of Wurttemberg)
17. Grand Duchess Ekaterina Mikhailovna of Russia (daughter of Friederike Charlotte of Wurttemberg)
18. Grand Duchess Alexandra Mikhailovna of Russia (daughter of Friederike Charlotte of Wurttemberg)
19. Grand Duchess Anna Mikhailovna of Russia (daughter of Friederike Charlotte of Wurttemberg)
20. Pauline of Wurttemberg (daughter of Prince Paul of Wurttemberg)
21. Prince Nikolaus of Nassau (son of Pauline of Wurttemberg)
22. Helene Wilhelmine of Nassau (daughter of Pauline of Wurttemberg)
23. Sophia of Nassau (daughter of Pauline of Wurttemberg)
24. Jerome Napoleon Bonaparte, 2nd Prince of Montfort (son of Catharina of Wurttemberg, daughter of Augusta of Brunswick-Wolfenbuttel)
25. Napoleon Joseph Bonaparte (son of Catharina of Wurttemberg)
26. Princess Mathilde Bonaparte (daughter of Catharina of Wurttemberg)
27. Frederick VI of Denmark (son of Caroline Matilda of Great Britain, daughter of Frederick, Prince of Wales)
28. Caroline of Denmark (daughter of Frederick VI of Denmark)
29. Vilhelmine Marie of Denmark (daughter of Frederick VI of Denmark)
30. Princess Louise Auguste of Denmark (daughter of Caroline Matilda of Great Britain)
31. Christian August II, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg (son of Princess Louise Auguste)
32. Frederick VIII, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein (son of Christian August II)
33. Prince Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (son of Christian August II)
34. Princess Louise Auguste of Schleswig-Holstein (daughter of Christian August II)
35. Princess Caroline Amelie of Schleswig-Holstein (daughter of Christian August II)
36. Princess Caroline Christiane of Schleswig-Holstein (daughter of Christian August II)
37. Prince Frederick of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg (son of Princess Louise Auguste)
38. Prince Frederick, Count of Noer (son of Prince Frederick of Schleswig-Holstein)
39. Prince Christian of Schleswig-Holstein (son of Prince Frederick of Schleswig-Holstein)
40. Princess Louise, Countess of Noer (daughter of Prince Frederick of Schleswig-Holstein)
41. Caroline Amalie of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg (daughter of Princess Louise Auguste)
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42. William I, King of the Netherlands (son of William V, Prince of Orange, son of Princess Anne of Great Britain, daughter of George II)
43. William II of the Netherlands (son of William I, King of the Netherlands)
44. William III of the Netherlands (son of William II of the Netherlands)
45. Prince Alexander of the Netherlands (son of William II of the Netherlands)
46. Prince Henry of the Netherlands (son of William II of the Netherlands)
47. Prince Ernst of the Netherlands (son of William II of the Netherlands)
48. Princess Sophie of the Netherlands (daughter of William II of the Netherlands)
49. Prince Frederick of the Netherlands (son of William I, King of the Netherlands)
50. Willem Frederik Nicolaas of the Netherlands (son of Prince Frederick of the Netherlands)
51. Louise of the Netherlands (daughter of Prince Frederick of the Netherlands)
52. Princess Marianne of the Netherlands (daughter of William I, King of the Netherlands)
53. Charlotte Frederica of Prussia (daughter of Princess Marianne of the Netherlands)
54. William, Duke of Nassau (son of Frederick William, Prince of Nassau-Weilburg, son of Princess Carolina, daughter of Princess Anne of Great Britain)
55. Friedrich Wilhelm of Nassau-Weilburg (son of Frederick William, Prince of Nassau-Weilburg)
56. Wilhelmine Brunold, Grafin von Tiefenbach (daughter of Friedrich Wilhelm of Nassau-Weilburg)
57. Archduke Albrecht of Austria (son of Princess Henrietta of Nassau, daughter of Friedrich Wilhelm of Nassau-Weilburg)
58. Archduke Karl Ferdinand (son of Princess Henrietta of Nassau)
59. Archduke Friedrich Ferdinand (son of Princess Henrietta of Nassau)
60. Archduke Wilhelm Franz (son of Princess Henrietta of Nassau)
61. Maria Theresa of Austria, Queen of the Two Sicilies (daughter of Princess Henrietta of Nassau)
62. Louise Caroline (daughter of Heinrich XIX, Prince of Greiz, son of Princess Wilhelmine, daughter of Princess Carolina, daughter of Princess Anne of Great Britain)
63. Elisabeth (daughter of Heinrich XIX)
64. Heinrich XX, Prince Reuss of Greiz (son of Princess Wilhelmine, daughter of Princess Carolina, daughter of Princess Anne of Great Britain)
65. Amalie of Nassau-Weilburg (daughter of Princess Carolina of Orange, daughter of Princess Anne of Great Britain)
66. Archduke Stephen, Palatine of Hungary (son of Princess Hermine of Anhalt-Bernburg-Schaumburg-Hoym, daughter of Amalie of Nassau-Weilburg)
67. Archduchess Hermine Amalie of Austria (daughter of Princess Hermine of Anhalt-Bernburg-Schaumburg-Hoym)
68. Amalia of Oldenburg, Queen of Greece (daughter of Princess Adelheid of Anhalt-Bernburg-Schaumburg-Hoym, daughter of Amalie of Nassau-Weilburg)
69. Duchess Frederica of Oldenburg (daughter of Princess Adelheid of Anhalt-Bernburg-Schaumburg-Hoym)
70. Princess Emma of Anhalt-Bernburg-Schaumburg-Hoym (daughter of Amalie of Nassau-Weilburg)
71. George Victor, Prince of Waldeck and Pyrmont (son of Princess Emma of Anhalt-Bernburg-Schaumburg-Hoym)
72. Princess Augusta of Waldeck and Pyrmont (daughter of Princess Emma of Anhalt-Bernburg-Schaumburg-Hoym)
73. Princess Hermine of Waldeck and Pyrmont (daughter of Princess Emma of Anhalt-Bernburg-Schaumburg-Hoym)
74. Peter II, Grand Duke of Oldenburg (son of Princess Ida of Anhalt-Bernburg-Schaumburg-Hoym, daughter of Amalie of Nassau-Weilburg)
75. Princess Henriette of Nassau-Weilburg (daughter of Princess Carolina of Orange)
76. Duke Alexander of Württemberg (son of Princess Henriette of Nassau-Weilburg)
77. Princess Claudine of Teck (daughter of Duke Alexander of Württemberg)
78. Duchess Maria Dorothea of Wurttemberg (daughter of Princess Henriette of Nassau-Weilburg)
79. Archduke Alexander of Austira (son of Duchess Maria Dorothea of Wurttemberg)
80. Archduke Joseph Karl of Austria (son of Duchess Maria Dorothea of Wurttemberg)
81. Archduchess Elisabeth Franziska (daughter of Duchess Maria Dorothea of Wurttemberg)
82. Duchess Amelia of Wurttemberg (daughter of Princess Henriette of Nassau-Weilburg)
83. Marie of Saxe-Altenburg (daughter of Duchess Amelia of Wurttemberg)
84. Therese of Saxe-Altenburg (daughter of Duchess Amelia of Wurttemberg)
85. Elizabeth of Saxe-Altenburg (daughter of Duchess Amelia of Wurttemberg)
86. Aleksandra Iosifna of Altenburg (daughter of Duchess Amelia of Wurttemberg)
87. Duchess Pauline Therese of Wurttemberg (daughter of Princess Henriette of Nassau-Weilburg)
88. Duchess Elisabeth Alexandrine of Wurttemberg (daughter of Princess Henriette of Nassau-Weilburg)
89. Henriette of Baden (daughter of Duchess Elisabeth Alexandrine of Wurttemberg)
90. Sophie of Baden (daughter of Duchess Elisabeth Alexandrine of Wurttemberg)
91. Elizabeth of Baden (daughter of Duchess Elisabeth Alexandrine of Wurttemberg)
92. Leopoldine of Baden (daughter of Duchess Elisabeth Alexandrine of Wurttemberg)
93. William II, Elector of Hesse (son of William I, Elector of Hesse, son of Princess Mary of Great Britain, daughter of George II)
94. Frederick William, Elector of Hesse (son of William II, Elector of Hesse)
95. Frederich Wilhelm (son of Frederick William, Elector of Hesse)
96. Moritz (son of Frederick William, Elector of Hesse)
97. Wilhelm (son of Frederick William, Elector of Hesse)
98. Princess Marie Frederica of Hesse-Kassel (daughter of William II, Elector of Hesse)
99. Georg II, Duke of Saxe-Meiningen (son of Princess Marie Frederica of Hesse-Kassel)
100. Marie Friederike of Hesse-Kassel (daughter of William I, Elector of Hesse)
101. Alexander Karl, Duke of Anhalt-Bernburg (son of Marie Friederike of Hesse-Kassel)
102. Princess Luise of Anhalt-Bernburg (daughter of Marie Friederike of Hesse-Kassel)
103. Prince Alexander of Prussia (son of Princess Luise of Anhalt-Bernburg)
104. Prince George of Prussia (son of Princess Luise of Anhalt-Bernburg)
105. Landgravine Karoline Amalie of Hesse-Kassel (daughter of William I, Elector of Hesse)
106. Prince Frederik of Hesse (son of Prince Charles of Hesse-Kassel, son of Princess Mary of Great Britain, daughter of George II)
107. Marie Sophie of Hesse, Queen of Denmark and Norway (daughter of Prince Charles of Hesse-Kassel)
108. Caroline of Denmark (daughter of Marie Sophie of Hesse)
109. Vilhelmine Marie of Denmark (daughter of Marie Sophie of Hesse)
110. Juliane, Princess of Hesse (daughter of Prince Charles of Hesse-Kassel)
111. Louise Caroline of Hesse (daughter of Prince Charles of Hesse-Kassel)
112. Friedrich, Duke of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg (son of Louise Caroline of Hesse)
113. Prince Wilhelm of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg- Glucksburg (son of Louise Caroline of Hesse)
114. Christian IX of Denmark (son of Louise Caroline of Hesse)
115. Prince Julius of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg- Glucksburg (son of Louise Caroline of Hesse)
116. Prince Johann of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg- Glucksburg (son of Louise Caroline of Hesse)
117. Prince Nikolaus of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg- Glucksburg (son of Louise Caroline of Hesse)
118. Princess Luise Marie of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg- Glucksburg (daughter of Louise Caroline of Hesse)
119. Princess Frederike of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg- Glucksburg (daughter of Louise Caroline of Hesse)
120. Princess Louise of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg- Glucksburg (daughter of Louise Caroline of Hesse)
121. Prince William of Hesse-Kassel (son of Prince Frederick of Hesse-Kassel, son of Princess Mary of Great Britain, daughter of George II)
122. Friedrich Wilhelm of Hesse (son of Prince William of Hesse-Kassel)
123. Marie Luise of Hesse-Kassel (daughter of Prince William of Hesse-Kassel)
124. Adelheid-Marie of Anhalt-Dessau (daughter of Marie Luise of Hesse-Kassel)
125. Louise of Hesse, Queen of Denmark (daughter of Prince William of Hesse-Kassel)
126. Auguste Sophie of Hesse-Kassel (daughter of Prince William of Hesse-Kassel)
127. Friedrich Wilhelm of Hesse (son of Prince William of Hesse-Kassel)
128. Georg Karl of Hesse (son of Prince William of Hesse-Kassel)
129. Luise Karoline of Hesse (daughter of Prince William of Hesse-Kassel)
130. Marie of Hesse-Kassel (daughter of Prince William of Hesse-Kassel)
131. Frederick William, Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Strelitz (son of Marie of Hesse-Kassel)
132. George of Mecklenburg (son of Marie of Hesse-Kassel)
133. Luise of Mecklenburg (daughter of Marie of Hesse-Kassel)
134. Duchess Caroline of Mecklenburg (daughter of Marie of Hesse-Kassel)
135. Augusta of Hesse-Kassel (daughter of Prince William of Hesse-Kassel)
136. Gustav, Prince of Vasa (son of Gustav IV Adolf of Sweden, son of Sophia Magdalena of Denmark, daughter of Louise of Great Britain - George II's daughter)
137. Carola of Vasa, Queen of Saxony (daughter of Gustav, Prince of Vasa)
138. Princess Sophie of Sweden (daughter of Gustav IV Adolf of Sweden)
139. Louis II, Grand Duke of Baden (son of Princess Sophie of Sweden)
140. Frederick I, Grand Duke of Baden (son of Princess Sophie of Sweden)
141. Wilhelm of Baden (son of Princess Sophie of Sweden)
142. Charles of Baden (son of Princess Sophie of Sweden)
143. Alexandrine of Baden (daughter of Princess Sophie of Sweden)
144. Marie of Baden (daughter of Princess Sophie of Sweden)
145. Princess Amelia Maria of Sweden (daughter of Gustav IV Adolf of Sweden)
146. Princess Cecilia of Sweden (daughter of Gustav IV Adolf of Sweden)

- This succession line is not taking into consideration the compliance of marriages with the Marriages Act. I also haven't excluded any Catholics that may be on the list.
-- I have included all descendants of morganatic marriages because there is no such thing in Britain: as long as the Monarch gave his/her consent, that's all that mattered. Legitimised children (those born out of wedlock but legitimised by their parents’ subsequent marriage) are not included since they have no rights according to British rules.
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...If there were other waiting heirs I suppose the Duke of Kent would not have left his mistress of decades to marry a Protestant princess...
The lady in question was Julie de St Laurent a French woman and former mistress of two French aristocrats, they got together in 1791 and only seperated when the Duke of Kent married Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld in 1818. There is no direct evidence they had any children, but several families in Canada claim they are descendents.
The Duke is believed to have had one or possibly two daughters by an earlier mistress when he was in Geneva in the late 1780s.
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I wonder whether the Parliament went through the names of every single one of these people before disqualifying them for various reasons.
It must have been a relief to stumble upon the "eligible" Sophia.
I personally doubt they "stumbled upon" her - in a book about Elisabeth Charlotte of Orleans, Sophia's niece, there were quotes from letters of the duchess to the electress where EC wondered by Sphia was so interested in the British inheritance when Britain was not worth being considered as a place to live...

But if you are interested in all kinds of aspects surrounding the Hannoverian succession to the throne of the UK, this should be the book for you: (not sure I didn't give the link before, so you might already know it):
The electress Sophia and the Hanoverian succession (Open Library)
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When the Elector of Hanover (later Grorge I) was a young man he visited London, and there was a rumour he was going to marry Princess Anne (later Queen Anne). I wonder if he had would she have had children that would have survived?
He didn't want her because he and his family felt that Anne as daughter of a mere Lady Anne Hyde was not equal in birth.

I found that quote in the book The Electress Sophia and the Hannoverian succession:

The hand of the Princess Anne had at this time been also thought to be within reach of Ernest Augustus and Sophia's eldest son George Lewis, who paid a visit to England from December, 1680, to the following March. But for him, too, a different destiny was reserved ; nor, if the account of a most sagacious observer and true friend is to be trusted, had this particular honour ever been coveted either by the Prince himself or at Hanover, for this among other reasons, that Princess Anne's birth on the mother's side was from a very second-rate family. The Prince had, accordingly, taken very little trouble in the matter ; so that, when he left England, it was thought that the marriage would never take place - all of which things Queen Anne never forgot.See Ezechiel Spanheim's Account of the English Court, printed by Dr. R. Doebner in English Historical Review, Vol. ii. 1887, pp. 757 sqq. Spanheim's statement as to the scruples felt at Hanover is exactly borne out by an observation of Sophia, a propos of the proposed match between her son George Lewis and the Princess Sophia Dorothea, that the example of the Prince of Orange (William III) ' renders the notion more endurable.' In other words, the House of Hanover thought a marriage with a daughter of Anne Hyde a sort of mesalliance. (See Briefwechsel d. Herzogin Sophie mit d. Kurfiirsten Karl Ludwig, p. 387.)
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The future George I had become a patron of the composer Handell before acceding to the English throne. He appointed Handell as Kapellmeister to the Hanover court in 1710. As King of England, George appointed Handell music teacher to his granddaughters.
George I appointed the artist James Thornhill as royal history painter in 1718 and knighted him in 1720.
In May 1727 King George I became patron of the Royal Society.
Sophia Dorothea of Celle is sometimes referred to as the "princess of Ahlden". She was imprisoned in the castle of Ahlden.
When George I first arrived in London in 1714 he brought with him 18 cooks.
At the news of Sophia Dorothea's demise, the court of Hanover went into mourning.
George I sent word to Germany that no one was to wear black.
In Kings & Queens of Great Britain, David Soud wrote:

George made it clear from the start that he favored the Whigs, even though they were the party advocating Parliamentary power over royal prerogative.
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