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Old 05-24-2010, 10:09 PM
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I think all three are descended from Charles II but wikipedia doesn't reference Camilla.

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Sarah is a descendant of King Charles II of England via two of his illegitimate sons, Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond, and James Scott, 1st Duke of Monmouth.
Camilla is descended from Charles II through Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond and Lennox (son of Louise de Kéroualle).

His daughter, Anne Lennox, married Willem Anne van Keppel, 2nd Earl of Albemarle. They are Camilla's ancestors through the Earls of Albemarle.

Camilla's maternal great-grandfather was Lt. Colonel the Honourable George Keppel, 3rd and youngest son of the 7th Earl. George Keppel's wife, Alice Keppel (nee Edmondstone) was the most famous of Edward VII's mistresses.
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Old 05-24-2010, 11:07 PM
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See, everyone is a descendant of Charles II except for me and Russophile!
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Old 05-25-2010, 07:21 AM
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and me! So we are in good company.

I think Charles II and one of the Edwards (maybe also the II) had tons of illegitimate kids...and a majority of the aristocracy and as a result some of the everyday Englishman (and odd American or two) are descended from them.
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...There was a sister of King George III, Caroline Mathilde of Denmark who was married to the King of Denmark and had an affair, right under her husbands nose and had a daughter with her lover...
Truely. The daughter, Louise Augusta, was official known to be the daughter of the king, Christian VII. The king was suffering from having paranoia, self-mutilation and hallucinations.
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Old 05-25-2010, 01:11 PM
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It would be an interesting thought to have a movie or tv movie about Caroline Mathilde...what an interesting life.
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It would be an interesting thought to have a movie or tv movie about Caroline Mathilde...what an interesting life.
There are two movies about Caroline Mathilde - 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dictator_(film) and 2: Herrscher ohne Krone (1957)
But a newer version would be great.
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Old 05-25-2010, 04:42 PM
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Thanks for the info. I have never heard of those.
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Old 05-28-2010, 05:20 PM
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I am not so sure they suffered unduly for being illegitimate, at least not more than any other illegitimate child. Royals were expected to engage in behavior which would not have been as accepted by commoners and these royal bastards were given honors and privileges in recognition of their parentage.

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Hmmm, that's true. Royal "bastards" still had some privileges.
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Question Calling royal bastards

Calling Royal Bastards! I am conducting research into Royal bastards, their origins, their lives and their psychological hangups. If you or one of your ancestors was a royal bastard, preferably in the 19th or 20th centuries,please respond to this posting! (I am less concerned with earlier centuries for the purpose of this study, although I am always interested,of course). Generally the position of royal bastards deteriorated over this period and continued to do so for royals, who had to show a squeaky-clean image, even if the rest of society were rioting in the permissive society. There appear to be 5-6 royal bastards alive today. It would be good to hear their perspective.

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According to the Danish movie company, Zentropa, a movie about Caroline Mathilde (UK title: A royal affair), expected premier: late 2011. Read more here: Link me
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The out of wedlock children (I prefer to use this term instead of royal bastards or illegitimate childen) of royalty depending on the time period had a much easier life than if their parents had been average people. If the King acknowledged them or make sure they as well as their mothers were well taken care of, they were lucky as this didn't always happen. As long as the King was alive and didn't have a falling out with the mistress, then the mistress was safe from people trying to harm her or make her life miserable. After the King died or was no longer in the picture, many people who had a bone to pick with him (American term for having a grievance towards someone) or someone who was angry with him sometimes went after the mistress. The children were generally left alone.

It will be interesting to see what Abbot finds.
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The out of wedlock children (I prefer to use this term instead of royal bastards or illegitimate childen) of royalty depending on the time period had a much easier life than if their parents had been average people.

It will be interesting to see what Abbot finds.
In fact most of them ended up with very exalted titles. As far as out of wedlock children go, that term was usually for children born of unmarried parents whereas a bastard or illegitimate child was born when one of the parents (or both) were married to others.
Here is a site which shows how France deals with this in modern times.

http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/memb..._children.htm+
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Perhaps Mr Abbot should get in touch with Robert Brown, who seems to be under the illusion that he is the love child of Princess Margaret and ? The DM has quite an amusing account of it.

I believe there was a man in Australia many years ago also, who swore he was the result of a brief affair conducted by the Prince of Wales (later Edward VIII) when he was in Australia on a royal tour in the 1920's.

The TRUTH about man who claims he's Princess Margaret's love child | Daily Mail Online
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What about a king who takes his son's intended bride as his mistress and has a child with her, and the princess in question is the daughter of the king's imprisoned wife's first husband?

Henry II is said to have had an affair with Alys of France, who had been living at his court since the age of eight and lived there for more than 20 years. Alys had been promised in marriage to Richard (Lionheart), but he went on marrying Berengaria of Navarre when he became king. Alys father, king Louis VII of France, had been the first husband of Eleanor of Aquitaine, and Alys had two older half-sisters from that marriage. At the time a betrothal was considered as binding as a marriage, so if Henry had an affair with Alys, it was as if he was involved with his son's wife.
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Wasn't sure where to post this, because I didn't see a thread that dealt with this topic, so Mods, feel free to move this post if necessary.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10466190.html


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What about a king who takes his son's intended bride as his mistress and has a child with her, and the princess in question is the daughter of the king's imprisoned wife's first husband?

Henry II is said to have had an affair with Alys of France, who had been living at his court since the age of eight and lived there for more than 20 years. Alinvolved with his son's wife.
Stil non proven. The only thing was that Richard didn't marry her... wcih might suggest that he knew she was "soilded goods".
Anyway, Royal bastards whose mothers were well treated by theier fathers, or where the mothers were of a suitable rank, certianly had a fair share of privilege,....
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Caroline Mathilde of Ddenmark: How terrible was her affair?
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I think King George I of England had a few skeletons clanking away in his Royal closets. He had an affair with an older woman, Sophia, Countess of Platen and Darlington, who may have been his half-sister.

He was a swine to his young wife, Sophia, to whom he was constantly unfaithful. While Elector of Hanover he divorced her after finding out she had a Swedish lover, Count von Konigsmarck, (whom it is speculated he had killed on his orders) separated Sophia from her two young children whom she never saw again, and imprisoned her for the rest of her life in a remote castle (over thirty years) while he sailed away to become King of England.
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