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Old 05-02-2013, 03:55 PM
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Why are many peopletalking about EII/Diana/Mountbatten/QM?
This is about historical royals...
There are 39 previous monarchs, their consorts, their siblings, children to mention from a span of 1000 years...
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Why are many peopletalking about EII/Diana/Mountbatten/QM?
This is about historical royals...
There are 39 previous monarchs, their consorts, their siblings, children to mention from a span of 1000 years...
I think you can argue that as, with the exception of QEII, all are dead and have been for at least 10 years, Diana, Mountbatten, and QM all qualify as historic people. They're also individuals that people who aren't necessarily as well versed in history would still be aware of.
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Old 05-02-2013, 04:09 PM
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But she brought a strain of insanity into the RF, (Henry VI ), which they didn't breed out for years!

Plus, she took up with Owen Tudor and brought about the Tudor line (let's face it, Henry VIII wasn't exactly an ideal king).
Henry VI only had one direct descendant though ... and even that's debatable as a lot of people think Prince Edward was actually the son of one of the Beauforts!

I always rather admire Catherine de Valois. No-one said a word if a widowed king, or even a married king, took up with someone unsuitable, but a widowed queen was just expected to live without male "company" unless a remarriage was arranged for her - good for Catherine for saying no to that and finding someone else!
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Henry VI only had one direct descendant though ... and even that's debatable as a lot of people think Prince Edward was actually the son of one of the Beauforts!
If we're arguing that Catherine de Valois introduced insanity to the BRF then the fact that she mothered both Henry VI and Edmund Tudor (who then fathered Henry VII), then she may have also passed on said insanity to her younger son, who could have passed it on to future generations of the BRF. Henry VI may have had only 1 direct descendant, but every monarch of the BRF since Henry VI except for the Yorks have been descended from Catherine de Valois.

Of course this is based on the idea that Catherine gave Henry VI genes for insanity (which she also then have Edmund Tudor), and that the insanity displayed in later members of the BRF is caused by the same thing that caused Henry VI's insanity. The mental instability seen in the Hanovers is commonly attributed to being porphyria (although it's not proven to such), and it's believed that some of the Stuarts had it as well - going back to James V of Scotland. From there we can say that if they actually had porphyria that got passed on a bit, was it caused from James V's Stuart father, James IV, or his Tudor mother, Margaret Tudor. Only one was descended from Catherine de Valois.

As to whether or not Prince Edward was descended from Henry VI, the claims that he wasn't were rumors spread by the Yorks - not exactly credible sources. Really it just seems like an attempt at slandering the Lancasters in general and Margaret of Anjou specifically. It should be noted that Henry's mental breakdown came after the conception of Edward, and the announcement of the pregnancy strengthened the Lancaster court. This can be seen as comparable to the rumours that the Old Pretender wasn't actually the son of James II but rather an imposter smuggled into the birth chamber in a warming pan.
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Agreed. Fascinating and devoted woman. One of those rare people that seemed imbued with royalty, long before she gained her HRH.
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That's hard, I think there's been so many wonderfully interesting English/British royals through time (especially the Queen Consorts have been great). I haven't included living royals (though I do agree that HM, Prince Philip and Princess Alexandra are great and historic royals already):

1. Eleanor of Aquitaine (Queen Consort)
2. Empress Matilda, Lady of the English
3. Catherine of Aragon (Queen Consort)
4. Princess Margaret
5. King George V
6. Alexandra of Denmark (Queen Consort)
7. Philippa of Hainault (Queen Consort)
8. Queen Anne
9. King Henry I
10. King William III and Queen Mary II
(11. Prince George and Princess Marina, the Duke and Duchess of Kent)
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