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Old 08-16-2008, 07:37 PM
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King Abdullah of Jordan :
just week before the death of King Husein(father of King Abdullah) his brother Prince Hassan was the crown prince of Jordan for many years but after fight between Queen Noor and prince Hassan's King Hussein decide to make his son Abdullah crown prince and week after HUssein die and Abdullah become a king.
so we can say King Abdullah is unexpected king.
Good one, Shrifia, excellent remark!
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Grand Duchess Charolette of Luxembourg the late mother of the former Grand Duke Jean succeed to the throne after her elder sister Grand Duchess Marie-Adelaide of Luxeembourg died at the age of 29.
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I think William IV was probably the oldest man who unexpectedly found out that he could probably be the monarch someday. He was already aged 52 when his 21 year old niece died probably from an undetected post-partum haemorrhage. Since she had been healthy all of her life, the expectation was that she would eventually bear an heir. William is still the oldest man to be crowned king (although Charles will certainly be older).
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Old 11-19-2009, 06:26 AM
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Grand Duchess Charolette of Luxembourg...succeed to the throne after her elder sister Grand Duchess Marie-Adelaide of Luxeembourg died at the age of 29.
No, Grand Duchess Charlotte came to the throne when her sister abdicated in January 1919. Marie Adelaide died five years later.
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Old 11-19-2009, 10:47 AM
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This is curious: both King Albert I and King Albert II of the Belgians were not expected to acceded to the Throne, since the elder brothers of them, both named Baudouin, was the Heir to the Throne.
Albert I became King because Prince Baudouin died aged 22, in 1891;
Albert II became King due to the sudden death of King Baudouin I in 1993.
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Old 11-19-2009, 10:53 AM
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Tsar Alexander III (Nicholas II' father) became Tsarevich after his older brother Nicholas died of meningitis at age 21. (Alexander also married his dead brother's fiancee Dagmar, who became better known as Marie).

King Juan Carlos of Spain became "heir" after his older brother was accidentally killed in a shooting accident. (I put the heir in quotes due to the circumstances of JC being groomed for the position of King by Franco).

Very fascinating to see all the twists and turns that history has taken over the years!:)

King Juan Carlos was older than his brother

Emperor Charles I of Austria

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Charles I was next in line after Franz Ferdinand since the latter married morganatically and his children were not eligible. However, it was unexpected that Charles would inherit the throne so young because FF was not expected to die young from assassination.
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A few more:

Charles III of Spain, he had two elder half-brothers (Louis I and Ferdinand VI) die before him. For that matter, his father Philip V ruled after abdicating for Louis I when the latter died.

Both Constantine I and George II of Greece ruled, were removed, and ended up coming back.

Alexander I of Greece was chosen instead of his elder brother George to be king in 1917.

Paul I of Greece outlived two brothers who had no male heirs.

The last king of Bavaria, Ludwig III, took power away from his cousin after being regent for him (since he were considered insane). His father was also regent, a sort of dual monarchy there, lol

Charles Albert of Sardinia became king since he was the most acceptable male in the very reduced Savoy line in 1831.
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Charles I was next in line after Franz Ferdinand since the latter married morganatically and his children were not eligible. However, it was unexpected that Charles would inherit the throne so young because FF was not expected to die young from assassination.
I think it was meant that Charles only became king when so many previous heirs (Rudolf, Charles Louis, FF and Otto) either died or refused it. In fact, Franz Josef becoming emperor (so soon) was also unexpected, since his father gave up the right when Ferdinand abdicated.
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In Portugal, I can recall two recent cases:

- D. Luís I, who became king after his older brother, the kind Pedro V died without issue. His wife (Queen Estefânia of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen) had died from dyphteria shortly after their first wedding anniversary and, upon, her autopsy was found a virgin. The king died shortly after from typhoid fever.

- D. Manuel II, the last king, ascended to the throne after the regicide in 1908, when both his father, the King D. Carlos I, and his older brother, D. Luís Filipe, were shot.
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Louise as Queen Regnant?

Karl XV of Sweden's daughter was Princess Louise. When her father was still king, was there a rule in the royal succession that there could not be a Queen Regnant? If yes, then Princess Louise would not be heiress to the throne.
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According to Wikipedia, while Sweden had previously had female monarchs, the constitution of 1809 didn't include a provision for female monarchs. As such, in order for Louise to become the monarch the law would have to be changed in Sweden. It would also have to have been changed in Norway which didn't allow for female succession.

Initially Karl tried to have the law changed, but as his brother had several sons he didn't have many supporters.
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I think William IV was probably the oldest man who unexpectedly found out that he could probably be the monarch someday. He was already aged 52 when his 21 year old niece died probably from an undetected post-partum haemorrhage. Since she had been healthy all of her life, the expectation was that she would eventually bear an heir. William is still the oldest man to be crowned king (although Charles will certainly be older).

William still wouldn't have necessarily expected to become king until 1828 as he had two older brothers - George IV and Frederick, Duke of York who was the heir to George IV until his own death two years before George and it was at that point that William would have realised that he would become King if he outlived his eldest brother.
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Afonso VI of Portugal, who reigned 1656 to 1683.
His elder brother, Teodosio, the crown prince died when he was 19.
Had he lived, Teodosio would have been King Teodosio (Theodosius) I.


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Unexpected English monarchs:
Sweyn Forkbeard, king of Denmark and Norway, became king of England by overthrewing Aethelred the Unready
Cnut the Great, king of Denmark and Norway, became king of England after defeating Edmund Ironside
Harold Godwinson, elected king by the Witan after the death of Edward the Confessor
William the Conqueror, king by conquest, even if he was supposedly chosen as successor by Edward the Confessor
Several of the kings during the War of the Roses, who became king depended on who won the battle
Henry VII, king by the right of conquest, as his right to the throne was by an illegitimate grandson of Edward III
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According to Wikipedia, while Sweden had previously had female monarchs, the constitution of 1809 didn't include a provision for female monarchs. As such, in order for Louise to become the monarch the law would have to be changed in Sweden. It would also have to have been changed in Norway which didn't allow for female succession.

Initially Karl tried to have the law changed, but as his brother had several sons he didn't have many supporters.
Louise was never allowed to be a queen regent, but she did become the queen consort of Denmark. She also still has descendants in the royal families of Denmark, Norway, Belgium, Luxembourg and Greece. So while it is true that her situation looks unfair to modern eyes, Louise has still left a bigger international legacy than what her cousin Gustav (V), who did become king of Sweden, was able to do.
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I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but what does that mean?

lol. Oh no, not laughing bout you not knowing. Let me give a guess. A changeling, a fairy. They were hoping that he wouldn't go stillborn or get sudden death. Like, if they tried and failed, the changeling or fairy, or replaced him already so he'd live, but he'd learn, and how, he would. Dear, folk lore is rich and it wasn't so long ago people believed to keep their wits. Some even to this day. Difficult to explain. First page post response. Anyway you'd have to look up what a changeling is. The sentence is difficult to understand, the way I wrote it, unless you read a wiki on changeling to go with it and use your īmagination. Instead of saying dang, sometimes using dear defines it better, not calling you dear.
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Louise was never allowed to be a queen regent, but she did become the queen consort of Denmark. She also still has descendants in the royal families of Denmark, Norway, Belgium, Luxembourg and Greece. So while it is true that her situation looks unfair to modern eyes, Louise has still left a bigger international legacy than what her cousin Gustav (V), who did become king of Sweden, was able to do.

Apparently Louise was ecstatic when her son was elected King of Norway and acceded to the same throne that had previously been her fathers. Equally pleased was her father-in-law Christian IX of Denmark who was raised at the court of Christian VIII the last King of Denmark-Norway.


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Apparently Louise was ecstatic when her son was elected King of Norway and acceded to the same throne that had previously been her fathers.
Yes, she was. And that son was also originally named Carl after her father (he changed his name to Haakon after accepting the Norwegian throne).
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