The Real Names Of The Royal Families

[Warren]

Originally Posted by HIRM&DSS Darius

Windsor was an old section in Germany in the 1400's ( I am a duke of Original Windsor (old Windsor by blood) The Palace was named Windsor Palace in England after Windsor in Germany- and England officiated Duke of Windsor as one of it's titles and stylings. The Royal Family then took the name of the palace during the War to dis-associate with the Third Reich (from Sachen-Coburg-un gotha -Aldenburg) to Mountbatten-Windsor.

George V changed the House and Family name to Windsor in 1917 during WWI. From 1901 to this date the House name was Saxe-Coburg & Gotha with the Family name of Wettin (that being the name of the Saxon Royal House and Duchies). Windsor was chosen because this British castle/fortress had the image of tradition, strength and stability. The Third Reich was Hitler's creation and came some years later. The 'Duke of Windsor' title was created in 1937.

Windsor Castle is mentioned in the Domesday Book of 1086. The name of Windsor originates from old English Windles-ore or 'winch by the riverside' (according to Wiki).
I can't find any reference to a Windsor in Germany.

Mountbatten-Windsor is a more recent creation and seems to be the preferred Family name of most of the Queen's children, at least on marriage certificates.

[HIRM&DSS Darius]

George V changed the House and Family name to Windsor in 1917 during WWI. From 1901 to this date the House name was Saxe-Coburg & Gotha with the Family name of Wettin (that being the name of the Saxon Royal House and Duchies). Windsor was chosen because this British castle/fortress had the image of tradition, strength and stability. The Third Reich was Hitler's creation and came some years later. The 'Duke of Windsor' title was created in 1937.

Windsor Castle is mentioned in the Domesday Book of 1086. The name of Windsor originates from old English Windles-ore or 'winch by the riverside' (according to Wiki).
I can't find any reference to a Windsor in Germany.

Mountbatten-Windsor is a more recent creation and seems to be the preferred Family name of most of the Queen's children, at least on marriage certificates.

They are most certainly Oldenburg (Aldenburg) as My 17th cousin Prince William pointed this out to me and my cousin Hally personally- Check link below as for the old windsor I will find the link when I have a free moment and post it. There are many , many Oldenburg and other Royal lines that do not have proper historical documentation( many cadet house lines)other at the time were left out of the registries for not paying proper tax, tith, tribute to church and /or main house.

Tree: Anton Gunther von ALDENBURG (OLDENBURG)

[Warren]

Originally Posted by HIRM&DSS Darius

They are most certainly Oldenburg (Aldenburg)

I think you are confusing the Saxe-Coburgs with the Schleswig-Holsteins. The Saxe-Coburgs are part of the Wettin family of the Houses of Saxony; the Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburgs (of which Charles will be the first British King although he will presumably remain under the House of Windsor rather than Mountbatten) are part of the Oldenburg dynasty.

[HIRM&DSS Darius]

Warren my apology, I see where my error is I intended to say Old Windsor in England lol for some reason because of Aldenburg- I was thinking Germany and wrote Germany. Mind slip lol

Germany.Windsor, Berkshire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[principessa]

Does the Asian and African royals also have a surname?

[magnik]

Originally Posted by principessa

Does the Asian and African royals also have a surname?

Africa for example:
Bokassa, Zulu,
Dalmini (Swaziland)
Alaouite (Marocco)
Seeiso (Lesotho)

[HIRM&DSS Darius]

I think you are confusing the Saxe-Coburgs with the Schleswig-Holsteins. The Saxe-Coburgs are part of the Wettin family of the Houses of Saxony; the Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburgs (of which Charles will be the first British King although he will presumably remain under the House of Windsor rather than Mountbatten) are part of the Oldenburg dynasty.

Warren, I am certain you are correct lol... I am from both lines. They are all intermarried on one level or the other, directly or indirectly and I do tend to confuse the histories. I have 7 Imperial lines 18 Royal lines confirmed in my lines up to the very late 1800's early 1900's when they all changed names and became citizen of the USA and disappeared off of the map. Hence I have Royals whom are cousin by one line, uncle by another. It is Confusing lol. There are also so many name changes throughout all of the lines, some just in spelling/ language ( by regional usages)i.e Aldenburg to Oldenburg other by marriages to entirely new names.

[principessa]

Am I right? The House of Tuscany is also called Altenburg?!?

[amedea]

Originally Posted by principessa

Am I right? The House of Tuscany is also called Altenburg?!?

No, the house of Tuscany name is Habsburg-Lothringen (in Italian "Asburgo Lorena"); a quite remote branch of this house has taken the title and name of "Prince of Altenburg". I am not sure if this branch is dynastic or not.

[principessa]

Bhutan = Wangchuck
Japan = Heisei Era
Cambodia = Norodom

[HIRM&DSS Darius]

Am I right? The House of Tuscany is also called Altenburg?!?

If I recall correctly they are of the Bourbon lines, they may also be Aldenburg. Many of these lines are intermarried.

[amedea]

Originally Posted by HIRM&DSS Darius

If I recall correctly they are of the Bourbon lines, they may also be Aldenburg. Many of these lines are intermarried.

I can't see any relation of the Altenburgs with the Bourbon

[Warren]

Originally Posted by HIRM&DSS Darius

If I recall correctly they are of the Bourbon lines, they may also be Aldenburg. Many of these lines are intermarried.

You are getting very confused HIRM&DSS Darius. The Tuscan branch of the Habsburgs is just that, a branch of the Habsburg Dynasty. They are not Bourbon, and "Aldenburg" (do you mean Altenburg in the Saxon Duchies of Thuringia?) has no connection at all.
Dynastic lines are of course interconnected through marriage, but a Habsburg is a Habsburg.

Originally Posted by principessa

The House of Tuscany is also called Altenburg?!?

Archduke Karl Albrecht of the Teschen line of the Habsburgs married in 1920 the daughter of the First Master of the Swedish Royal Hunt. In 1949 the Archduke Otto created her Princess von Altenburg; the issue of the marriage bear the surname of Habsburg and the title of Prince or Princess von Altenburg. This Habsburg mini-branch will soon be extinct in the male line.
Archduke Clemens Salvator of the Tuscan line assumed the title of Count of Altenburg in 1931 following his "unequal" marriage and in 1949, with the approval of the Archduke Otto, he and his family assumed the titles of Princes and Princesses von Altenburg.

[HIRM&DSS Darius]

You are getting very confused HIRM&DSS Darius. The Tuscan branch of the Habsburgs is just that, a branch of the Habsburg Dynasty. They are not Bourbon, and "Aldenburg" (do you mean Altenburg in the Saxon Duchies of Thuringia?) has no connection at all.
Dynastic lines are of course interconnected through marriage, but a Habsburg is a Habsburg.

Warren as seen here in link Anton Von Aldenburg is ancestor also of Jaun Carlos. I know several persons with both lines in blood- just not certain of which line they consider themselves.

Tree: Anton Gunther von ALDENBURG (OLDENBURG)

If I recall correctly they are of the Bourbon lines, they may also be Aldenburg. Many of these lines are intermarried

Please note I wrote IF I recall correctly lol.. I admit my memory isn't the greatest in these matters. I do try,and do come back to correct myself when I mis-speak. They are indeed Hapsburg- Lorraine line The surviving prerogatives and titles of the Grand Ducal House of Tuscany

I looked it up after posting and came back to update. Hapsburg lines being officially abdicated those married into lines of active houses may be titled/styled by those lines. Thereby the confusion. Persons tend to think of Nobility in terms of the seated and larger Royal Houses, there are indeed many, many unknown ( in a public sense)Nobles by blood , from real lines throughout the world and thousands of cadet houses that use different names from the main house.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by HIRM&DSS Darius

Hapsburg lines being officially abdicated those married into lines of active houses may be titled/styled by those lines. Thereby the confusion.

HIRM&DSS Darius, with all due respect, there is no confusion except perhaps on your behalf. It is quite easy to determine which House a person belongs to. That is why we have dynastic genealogies, tables and lines of descent. It's all laid down. For example, the Tuscans are Habsburgs, there is nothing further to say, it is fact, there is no confusion. In your example of Juan Carlos being a descendant of Anton Gunther of Oldenburg, that doesn't make JC an Oldenburg. He is a Bourbon. What is there to be confused about?

Every European reigning monarch (and most heads of the deposed monarchies) is descended from Johann-Georg II, Prince of Anhalt-Dessau. That doesn't make Queen Elizabeth II or Prince Hans Adam or Duke Max of Bavaria an Anhalt-Dessau. None of them are confused about their family or dynastic or house name, and neither are we.

[pacomartin]

Pardon if I am repeating.
It is my understanding that Queen Victoria was very concerned with the royal household name. The name Saxe-Coburg-Gotha was only created in 1825, and was a minor offshoot of the Ducal families. Her researchers felt that the thousand year old name of Wettin was the best name for her Albert's family. (Since then they have uncovered geneology from before the Castle of Wettin was built). She very much wanted her family to be known as the House of Wettin. However, for some reason the name never really stuck and they continued to be known as the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.
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Although the Castle of Wettin certainly was constructed a few centuries after the Anglo Saxon invasion of England, it still conjured up images of the shared Saxon heritage of England and Germany. As such it would be less abrasive to the British people. It was certainly one of the names considered by George V. However, by 1917 a much stronger statement needed to be made, and simply renaming them the House of Wettin was an insufficient gesture.
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Initially George V was opposed to changing the name of the house thinking that it was unnecessary. But when the Gotha bomber was dropping bombs on civilian areas of London, it was clear even to him that he needed to change the name. It is interesting to think that if Wettin had been adopted in 1901, the backlash might not have been as strong, and we would have that name today.

[pacomartin]

Let us not forget that Battenberg is not an ancient name, but was one created in 1851 as a very minor title considering the lowly dynastic status of Julie von Hauke. For nobles they lived a quiet unobtrusive life with no dynastic claims. Her son, Prince Louis of Battenberg, was really a self made man who joined the British Navy at the age of only 14.

The decision to anglicize the name to Mountbatten in 1917 was a political move certainly, but to be fair Louis was certainly an Englishman and not a German. The ancient family name is Oldenberg.

[amedea]

Originally Posted by pacomartin

Let us not forget that Battenberg is not an ancient name, but was one created in 1851 as a very minor title considering the lowly dynastic status of Julie von Hauke. For nobles they lived a quiet unobtrusive life with no dynastic claims. Her son, Prince Louis of Battenberg, was really a self made man who joined the British Navy at the age of only 14.

The decision to anglicize the name to Mountbatten in 1917 was a political move certainly, but to be fair Louis was certainly an Englishman and not a German. The ancient family name is Oldenberg.

Well Philipp Mountbatten, the duke of Edinburgh, is an Oldenburg (not Oldenberg, am I right?). But he is a Mountbatten because he adopted his mternal uncle surname. The others Mountbatten are from the Hesse family..now what's the Hesse family real surname? Oldenberg?

[Mari_*]

I read that Prince Felipe has all these last names.. Borbón, Schleswig-Holstein (Greece) , Borbón dos Sicilias, Sonderburg-Glüksbourg, Battemberg, Hannover, Orleans, Romanoff, Anjou, Hesse-Cassel, Nápoles & Schleswig-Holstein (yes, again)

[magnik]

Originally Posted by Mari_*

I read that Prince Felipe has all these last names.. Borbón, Schleswig-Holstein (Greece) , Borbón dos Sicilias, Sonderburg-Glüksbourg, Battemberg, Hannover, Orleans, Romanoff, Anjou, Hesse-Cassel, Nápoles & Schleswig-Holstein (yes, again)

Where did you read that?
He can be descendant of these families but has all these names...I don't think so.

He is His Royal Highness Prince Felipe Juan Pablo Alfonso y de la Santísima Trinidad y de Todos los Santos de Borbón y Grecia (of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg), Prince of Gerona, Prince of Viana, Duke of Montblanc, Count of Cervera, and Lord of Balaguer.