The Real Names Of The Royal Families

[cuervo]

Originally posted by Alexandria+Nov 7th, 2003 - 10:09 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Alexandria @ Nov 7th, 2003 - 10:09 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-TOMMIX@Nov 4th, 2003 - 4:30 pm
Belgium-&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Wettin

I don't think I ever knew the Belgian royals last name before. Interesting TOMMIX, thanks!

Greece-* * * * *&nbsp; Oldenburg

Where does Glucksenberg come in? I read that most often, though Oldenburg is part of a longer name. [/b][/quote]
Maybe CHRISTIANS???

[TOMMIX]

Originally posted by Alexandria+Nov 7th, 2003 - 10:09 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Alexandria @ Nov 7th, 2003 - 10:09 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-TOMMIX@Nov 4th, 2003 - 4:30 pm
Belgium-&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Wettin

I don't think I ever knew the Belgian royals last name before. Interesting TOMMIX, thanks!

Greece-* * * * *&nbsp; Oldenburg

Where does Glucksenberg come in? I read that most often, though Oldenburg is part of a longer name. [/b][/quote]
Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg is the HOUSE name of both Denmark's and Greece's Royals. Their FAMILY name is Oldenburg.
As I noted in several previous postings the HOUSE name and the FAMILY names are not always the same.
The poster who began this thread was asking for the FAMILY names not the House names. :flower:

[hania]

The british royals officiallly have the surname Windsor mountbatten as a tribute to prince phillip and i know that the swedish surname is bernadotte but doesnt that sound very feminine?the monaco royals use grimaldi

[Josefine]

Originally Posted by hania

swedish surname is bernadotte but doesnt that sound very feminine?

feminine? what do you mean with that do you think a royal mame should be feminine, if so why

[Yennie]

Wasn´t the british rf named Battenberg (Philip?) at first but changed it to Mountbatten to make it sound more british?

[ally_cooper]

Yes, Moutbatten is a translation made of Battenberg by part of the family to sound minus german (was in the Hitler Age).

[Leslie2006]

Denmark: Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg
Sweden: Bernadotte
Norway: Oldenburg
Belgium: Wettin/Saxe-Coburg (the surname of Leopold I)
Britain: Windsor (formerly Saxe-Coburg and Wettin before that; changed 1918); the descendants of QEII are officially Mountbatten-Windsor
Monaco: Grimaldi
Netherlands: Von Amsberg or Orange-Nassau
Serbia: Karađorđević
Spain: Borbon
Brazil: Braganza
Luxembourg: de Nassau
Hanover: Wettin
Scotland: Stuart
Italy: Bourbon-Parma & Savoy
Romania: Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen
Austria: Hapsburg & Braganza-Wettin

[H.M. Margrethe]

The royal family from Denmark don´t juse the names Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderbug-Glucksburg BUT only Glucksburg.
The reason for this is when King Christian 9. lost the earldom Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg in 1864 he and his descendant lost the rigth to juse the names for the furtur.

[Jo of Palatine]

Just wanted to add that I think in England a change started with the inheritance of the Scottish kings who for some generations had used their former position at court (High Steward) as a family name: first Steward, then written as Stuart. Plus in Scotland the Clan system based on clan as family names. Lord X Campbell of Y surely was somehow related to Lord V Campbell of A.

IIRC you could see a change in historic documents from Elizabeth I to James I when they related to members of the aristocracy.

[lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Leslie2006

Denmark: Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg
Sweden: Bernadotte
Norway: Oldenburg
Belgium: Wettin/Saxe-Coburg (the surname of Leopold I)
Britain: Windsor (formerly Saxe-Coburg and Wettin before that; changed 1918); the descendants of QEII are officially Mountbatten-Windsor
Monaco: Grimaldi
Netherlands: Von Amsberg or Orange-Nassau
Serbia: Karađorđević
Spain: Borbon
Brazil: Braganza
Luxembourg: de Nassau
Hanover: Wettin
Scotland: Stuart
Italy: Bourbon-Parma & Savoy
Romania: Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen
Austria: Hapsburg & Braganza-Wettin

Thank you for that list.

I know there is some discussion about this but aren't the descendants of QEII allowed to decide what they call themselves?

Mountbatten-Windsor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
According the wikipedia it is the personal surname not the house name. As royals tend to use the names of their titles like William and Harry use Wales when at Sandhurst. Beatrice and Eugenie use York and so forth.

[Alexandra]

What is a FAMILY name and what is a HOUSE name? Which is the diffetrence between them? Or the similarity? I never knew that.
And what about this: Hannover is the same as Brauschweig-Lüneburg ? Is one of the names a family name and the other part a house name?

[Alexandra]

And what are Hannover = Braunschweig-Lüneburg = Welf ?

[TOMMIX]

Originally posted by Alexandra@Nov 7th, 2003 - 10:50 am
What is a FAMILY name and what is a HOUSE name? Which is the diffetrence between them? Or the similarity? I never knew that.
And what about this: Hannover is the same as Brauschweig-Lüneburg ? Is one of the names a family name and the other part a house name?

Let us take one example first-
In the UK, the Royal's last [ family] name is Windsor, it also happens [in this case] that Windsor is their House name. HM The Queen's last name IS Windsor and the name of this reigning House is also Windsor.

Now for another exmple-
In Belgium the Royal's last [family] name is Wettin, but in this case their House name is Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

To explain it another way, at some time in the past most Royal Families had a last name just like you or I. Such as Smith or Jones [or Wettin]. Most Royal's retain this family name. Their House name is usually derived from the area of land that they ruled over at one time or another. This House name is more closely associated with these families, although they still retain their last [family] names.

As for your question about Hanover and Brunswick-Luneberg. They are House names associated with the family whose last name is Guelf.

[hrhcp]

My impression is, there are three names that have evolved in this discussion, namely:
i) House name
ii) (House) Family name. I think this is what Tommix has been posting.
iii) (Passport) family name. This is what I was referring to, namely ....

... in regards to the UK Royals, I understand it is because of some passport requirement of around the 1950's? that they were 'compelled' to select the name "Windsor" as their family name.

With the House of Hannover, two points
1.) If the European Court of Human Rights uses the family name "von Hannover", then in officialese their name is 'von Hannover'. That is the name that (I presume) is printed in their passports.
2.) With respect to Guelf, I think there might be a spelling mistake here. I think the real spelling is
a. "Guelpf" (German practice that 'pf' is pronounced as 'f') or
b. "Guelph" (also the name of a town in Ontario, Canada), but I'm not an expert.

And as Tommix has mentioned, the Royal Houses can have many names. The reason being that over time (before World War One) they collected property by war/treaty, they married into it, or it was given to them.

[TOMMIX]

:flower: Since Burke's Peerage is published in the English language, they would naturally use the Anglisied version of German names. So Guelf is the correct spelling [in English].

You are correct about von Hanover in the fact that in Germany today the government does not recognize any former German royal or noble titles, so von Hanover is how that family is known to the German government. That being said, it does not alter the fact that their original family name is Guelf.

[TOMMIX]

Originally posted by King Christian@Nov 7th, 2003 - 11:53 am
... in regards to the UK Royals, I understand it is because of some passport requirement of around the 1950's? that they were 'compelled' to select the name "Windsor" as their family name.

:flower: Your assumption is incorrect. Windsor IS thier surname AND the House name. Please look at this website to see Letters Patent issused in 1917 by HM George V-
http://www.heraldica.org/faqs/britfaq.html#p2-1

[hrhcp]

Thanks for the reference to the year of 1917, Tommix. That was the principle reason why I put a "?" after the year I mentioned, because I couldn't remember if it was something that happened around the end of the First World War, or after the Second World War.

Thank you for your tenacity in setting the record straight. :)

[TOMMIX]

Originally posted by King Christian@Nov 7th, 2003 - 1:00 pm
Thanks for the reference to the year of 1917, Tommix. That was the principle reason why I put a "?" after the year I mentioned, because I couldn't remember if it was something that happened around the end of the First World War, or after the Second World War.

Thank you for your tenacity in setting the record straight. :)

You, and the other members are quite welcome. I like to be of service whenever I can! :flower:

Tommix, you are a gem. I enjoy reading your posts. :flower:

[Alexandra]

Originally posted by TOMMIX+Nov 7th, 2003 - 6:35 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (TOMMIX @ Nov 7th, 2003 - 6:35 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Alexandra@Nov 7th, 2003 - 10:50 am
What is a FAMILY name and what is a HOUSE name? Which is the diffetrence between them? Or the similarity? I never knew that.
And what about this: Hannover is the same as Brauschweig-Lüneburg ? Is one of the names a family name and the other part a house name?

Let us take one example first-
In the UK, the Royal's last [ family] name is Windsor, it also happens [in this case] that Windsor is their House name. HM The Queen's last name IS Windsor and the name of this reigning House is also Windsor.

Now for another exmple-
In Belgium the Royal's last [family] name is Wettin, but in this case their House name is Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

To explain it another way, at some time in the past most Royal Families had a last name just like you or I. Such as Smith or Jones [or Wettin]. Most Royal's retain this family name. Their House name is usually derived from the area of land that they ruled over at one time or another. This House name is more closely associated with these families, although they still retain their last [family] names.

As for your question about Hanover and Brunswick-Luneberg. They are House names associated with the family whose last name is Guelf. [/b][/quote]
Thank you, Tommix for the good explanation.