Royals Visiting the Pope - Page 7

Duchess · #**121** 06-15-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Marmalade

Umm...Princess Grace was a consort to a ruling monarch..

I also seem to remember Marina Doria wearing white to visit the Pope..

Princess Grace was not a consort as she was not married to a king. the term princess consort is given to a princess that is married to a king.

here is the wikipedia definition:

"A princess consort is the female equivalent to a prince consort. It is given to the spouse of a king regnant, if the title queen consort is inappropriate."

WordRider · #**122** 06-30-2006, 06:42 PM

Know thou this Saint Gabriel:In that God is my champion is the Patron Saint of the Royals visiting the Pope.

Love Terrance

srivishnu · #**123** 07-12-2006, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Duchess

only female catholic monarchs and female consorts are allowed to wear white when meeting the Holy Father:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege_(royalty)

while they are catholic, caroline is not a reigning monarch or a consort and the men must still wear black.

this almost correct - all female reigning monarchs or female consorts are permitted to wear white when meeting the Pope as long as they're catholic. at present, these are the only women who fit that criteria. if there are women from other countries, then they too would be allowed to wear white.

since Princess Grace was not a Queen or a consort she would not be permitted to wear white to the Vatican.

although there is protocol with regards to dress colour, many people no longer practice it. i think it means more to a catholic than someone from another religion.

But HM Queen Elizabeth II still practices the tradition or protocol of wearing black when visiting the Pope at the Vatican City.

Duchess · #**124** 07-13-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by srivishnu

But HM Queen Elizabeth II still practices the tradition or protocol of wearing black when visiting the Pope at the Vatican City.

HM is not catholic and can't wear white.

EmpressRouge · #**125** 07-13-2006, 07:13 PM

Marina Doria wore white to the Vatican for being a Princess of the house of Savoy. http://www.angelfire.com/realm3/casa.../nineteen.html (scroll down). I think certain females from Hapsburg and certain Italian noblity are also granted the privilage.
Queen Marie-Jose of Italy wore white to the Vatican when she was still Princess of Piemonte (again scroll down) http://www.angelfire.com/realm3/casasavoia/six.html

srivishnu · #**126** 07-14-2006, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Duchess

HM is not catholic and can't wear white.

Yes,I am aware of that protocol.

Duchess · #**127** 07-15-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by srivishnu

Yes,I am aware of that protocol.

i'm sorry i misunderstood your post. yes she does wear black and i think it's a lovely sign of respect. :)

srivishnu · #**128** 07-15-2006, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Duchess

i'm sorry i misunderstood your post. yes she does wear black and i think it's a lovely sign of respect. :)

Its ok about it.Humans do make mistakes / error.No human are perfect.The Queen is known for strictly following royal traditions and protocol.The Queen rarely breaks protocol.

srivishnu · #**129** 07-18-2006, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Iain

Rainier was a monarch. A monarch doesn't just have to be a king or queen, If a country is ruled by a prince, a grand duke, a sultan or a sheik then that person is the monarch.

Yes,you are right.

RubyPrincess168 · #**130** 10-02-2006, 05:05 AM

I must say CP Letizia and CP Victoria looked stunning their black viels!
I find the "prviliege du blanc" quite interesting! Does anyone know when it came into being and when/why these spcific countries were granted this privilege?

foiegrass · #**131** 10-02-2006, 05:35 AM

i heard cherie blair made an embarrasing mistake of wearing white while meeting the Pope

Henri M. · #**132** 10-02-2006, 06:16 AM

When a lady makes a 'mistake' and wears white in front of Pope, you will not hear it from Vatican diplomats. It is nice when you observe the old protocol, but it is no longer a strict requirement.

Compare it with the tradition of bowing and making révérences: on most Courts you may bow or make a révérence but it is no longer required, not even at the British Court.

The privilège du Blanc in short:

- HM Queen Sofía of Spain
- HM Queen Paola of the Belgians
- HM Queen Fabiola of the Belgians
- HRH Grand-Duchess María Teresa of Luxembourg, Duchess of Nassau
- the Archduchesses of Austria (they do not use the privilège)
- the Princesses of the House di Savoia (most do not use the privilège)

The question mark for the future:

- HM Queen Máxima of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau
Will she meet the Pope, dressed in white?

wymanda · #**133** 10-02-2006, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by foiegrass

i heard cherie blair made an embarrasing mistake of wearing white while meeting the Pope

IMO It wasn't a mistake per se. Mrs Blair fancies herself as a Queen. The woman is very pretentious.

Personally I find this protocol for meeting the Pope rather ridiculous. He is just a man elected to an office.

BeatrixFan · #**134** 10-02-2006, 11:13 AM

Well, those to whom it matters to wymanda, are entitled to keep it. Cherie Blair didn't make a mistake. She was wearing a white suit and was giving a speech at the Vatican Museums. His Holiness heard that she was in the Vatican and invited her for a 20 minute audience. She didn't have time to change and so met the Pope in white.

Sophus · #**135** 10-02-2006, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyalProtocol

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/5236/drws18lz.jpg

Why is Queen Margrethe no wearing black as protocol dicktates

The 2006 visit was not an official visit... Queen Margrethe II was in Rome to open an art exhibition when she was invited to see the new pope. The black dresscode is for official visits...

BeatrixFan · #**136** 10-02-2006, 12:12 PM

And notice that when he met Queen Margrethe, His Holiness didn't wear his stole. He only wears it when he meets Catholic dignitaries.

Shadiyah2086 · #**137** 10-28-2006, 10:36 PM

I thought the Luxembourg Grand Duchess was suppose to wear black when meeting the pope? How come in this picture Grand Duchess Maria-Teresa is wearing white? I read in this forum that only the Spanish and Belgian Queens were allowed to were white as well as the Austrian Archduchesses?
http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...0&d=1116816040

crisiñaki · #**138** 10-28-2006, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Henri M.

The question mark for the future:

- HM Queen Máxima of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau
Will she meet the Pope, dressed in white?

She may still be catholic but she will be the consort of a Protestant Monarch so she won't have the "Privilege du Blanc"

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Originally Posted by wymanda

IMO It wasn't a mistake per se. Mrs Blair fancies herself as a Queen. The woman is very pretentious.

Personally I find this protocol for meeting the Pope rather ridiculous. He is just a man elected to an office.

Protocol is protocol, and it is specially strict when it comes to religion or royalty and in this case both of them...