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Old 12-16-2017, 07:29 PM
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It isn't always the royal house that has the rules however but the law of the land - or in the case of the BRF - the law in 16 countries all of which would have to pass the necessary legislation.

In addition it makes sense in the UK as the Supreme Governor of the Church of England is also the Monarch. It therefore makes complete sense that the monarch is a communicant member of the church of which they will be Supreme Governor and thus the person who appoints the leaders of that church.

I don't think anyone would expect that the Pope would be anything other than a Roman Catholic but the argument seems to be trotted out that the Monarch of the UK can be of any religion and thus the leader of the CoE won't be CoE. If the monarch has to be of the CoE it also makes sense that the senior members of the family are also of that same denomination.
If I understand it correctly, the OP's discussion was not about monarchs per se, but rather about people who had to convert to marry a royal. As far as I know, none of the surviving monarchies in Europe currently have a legal requirement that a royal consort be of any particular religion. Yet, Prince Henrik, Princess Mary and Princess Marie converted to Lutheranism before joining the Danish Royal family; Meghan Markle will be baptized in the Church of England prior to marrying Prince Henry; and Queen Sofia converted to Catholicism when she marrried Don Juan Carlos.

Note that Catholicism only ceased to be the official state religion in Spain in 1979, so maybe Sofia's conversion at the time of her wedding was required, but I'm not sure. Similarly, Queen Anne-Marie also became Greek Orthodox when she married King Constantine, but someone in this forum said that was legally required (I don't know either).

Kudos for Máxima Zorreguieta (IMHO) for acting according to her conscience and remaining Roman Catholic despite the pressure to convert and become Dutch Reformed. She was forced though to agree to marry and baptize her daughters in the Protestant church.
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Queen Sofia’s conversion wasn’t required but was certainly desirable in Spain. She converted a few weeks after her wedding, not before, but she had signed a pledge to Pope St John XXIII before her marriage promising to raise all her children as Roman Catholics whether she herself eventually converted or not. Queen Sofia has said that she did not see it as a conversion, she simply accepted Papal authority.
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Converting to another Christian denomination isn't "converting to another religion". But I think in today's world, it really should not be necessary for a wife or husband to do so... if they don't sincerely believe it...
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Old 12-17-2017, 06:15 AM
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Queen Sofia’s conversion wasn’t required but was certainly desirable in Spain. She converted a few weeks after her wedding, not before, but she had signed a pledge to Pope St John XXIII before her marriage promising to raise all her children as Roman Catholics whether she herself eventually converted or not. Queen Sofia has said that she did not see it as a conversion, she simply accepted Papal authority.
I was told she still attends Orthodox services when she is in Greece, so I am not sure how genuine her "conversion" is. On her pledge to the Pope, isn't a pledge to raise future children as Catholics is a general requirement for anyone to be married in the Roman Catholic Church ?
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It’s semantics but the Roman Catholic Church would see it as reception into the church in this instance not conversion. But from the Greek Orthodox Church’s point of view, it would have been regarded as conversion. It’s a sticking point left over from the Great Schism of 1054. However, that’s really me being very nitpicky!

On the issue of the pledge made to the Pope, yes and no. Dispensations (pre-Vatican II) were issued on an individual basis and so some were more lenient than others. In some cases, the dispensation allowed for boys to be raised as Protestants and girls to be raised as Roman Catholics. The dispensation for Juan Carlos and Sofia also included a clause in which Sofia promised not to try to convert Juan Carlos to Orthodoxy.
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Not sure when she married but until the 1970s it was the case that people marrying an RC had to promise to bring the children up RC. but she may attend other services, without giving up being RC. I occasionally attend services in other denominations and so do many people.
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Old 12-17-2017, 06:26 AM
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Queen Sofia could absolutely attend Greek Orthodox services but she wouldn’t receive communion there as Rome doesn’t allow Catholics to receive communion in other traditions. However, Orthodox Christians can receive the Eucharist in Roman Catholic Churches with the permission of their local Bishop. This is usually not extended for a long period of time. However, Orthodox Churches do not recognise this arrangement and discourage the practice.
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Old 12-17-2017, 06:34 AM
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Queen Sofia could absolutely attend Greek Orthodox services but she wouldn’t receive communion there as Rome doesn’t allow Catholics to receive communion in other traditions. However, Orthodox Christians can receive the Eucharist in Roman Catholic Churches with the permission of their local Bishop. This is usually not extended for a long period of time. However, Orthodox Churches do not recognise this arrangement and discourage the practice.
My doubt was exactly whether she still receives communion in a Greek Orthodox church when she is Greece. I suspect she wouldn't do it in public, would she ?
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I very much doubt she does. Even in private. It’s considered to be “illicit” under Canon Law. There is a sort of loop hole which falls under the umbrella of ecumenism but I very much doubt Queen Sofia would make use of that. Or that she would seek any special permission.
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