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William , George & Edward have Louis as part of their names. The source is most likely Louis Moutbatten who was Philip's mother brother. Charles was super close to him so that would explain William Arthur Philip Louis.
Edwards middle name of Louis is for his godfather Prince Louis of Hesse and by Rhine. His entire name is made up of his godparents. I think William and George are definitely named for Louis Mountbatten though.
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William , George & Edward have Louis as part of their names. The source is most likely Louis Moutbatten who was Philip's mother brother. Charles was super close to him so that would explain William Arthur Philip Louis.

Incidentally, none of Queen Victoria's or King George V's sons apparently had Louis as part of their names, so, if it is a tradition, it is a new one. I agree the most likely source is Prince Philip's family.
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Thank you, everyone. I had thought the same, that it had to do with Charles' greatly beloved uncle. So others see it the same way. What I find interesting is the lack of a Prince Louis. Too French?
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. Yes, I think Louis is regarded as too French for the BRF. Of course the original Louis, whom Lord Mountbatten was named for, Louis Battenberg his father, was a German originally.
If you look through the names of senior Princes in the BRF who were born in Britain they all have very British names. Henrys, Edwards, Georges, predominate. Andrew was a lucky choice as St Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland, even if Prince Andrew was really named after Philip's father. At least William and Charles add a bit of variety.
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Actually, I think it likely was too German. Especially after the wars, the last thing they would want to do was remind people of their German roots. It makes sense, anyways, that a British Prince have a British name.

Louis came from their German roots.

Edward Richard Antony Louis was named for his godfathers, the Duke of Gloucester, Antony Armstrong-Jones and Prince Louis of Hesse.

Lord Nicholas Windsor has a son named Louis, and his eldest son has it as a middle name. But it is in honor of the boys' maternal grandfather, Prince Louis de Frankopan.

William and George are in honor of Uncle Louis of course who Philip and Charles were both quite close. Louis Mountbatten was named in honor of his father Prince Louis of Battenberg. Who in turn was named after his grandfather Louis of Hesse and Rhine. Heck His maternal grandfather was Louis as well. Being a Hesse on both sides, Philips mother and uncles had quite a few Louis in the tree.

By the time Elizabeth got to her fourth child she seemed more comfortable choosing names which were a bit more removed. Anne has Alice for Philips mom. And Louise is quite possibly a nod to her godfather, Louis Mountbatten.
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Actually, when we think about it, its very possible that the name Louis could be used in its feminine form for a princess of the UK today. If things had gone the traditional way the British royal family does things, we'd have a Princess Louise today in our midst. We just know her now as the daughter of the Earl of Wessex.
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Actually, when we think about it, its very possible that the name Louis could be used in its feminine form for a princess of the UK today. If things had gone the traditional way the British royal family does things, we'd have a Princess Louise today in our midst. We just know her now as the daughter of the Earl of Wessex.
Edward had a bit more freedom, considering his daughter was so far from the throne.

But that said, Louise Wessex is certainly not the first. Unlike the masculine, the feminine has been used as a first name. But again the German link.

Queen Victoria had a daughter Louise, eventually Duchess of Argyle. She was named after her paternal grandmother.Edward VII eldest daughter was Louise, Duchess of Fife. George II had a daughter Louise who was queen of Denmark. George III had a sister Louise who died unmarried. If Lady Louise has been titled princess, she'd be the fifth Princess Louise since hannoverian times.
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William , George & Edward have Louis as part of their names. The source is most likely Louis Mountbatten who was Philip's mother brother. Charles was super close to him so that would explain William Arthur Philip Louis.
Yes, and just to add to what everyone has already contributed: Prince Philip's mother, Princess Alice of Battenburg, is the daughter of Princess Victoria of Hesse whose mother was Princess Alice of the United Kingdom, a daughter of Queen Victoria. Princess Alice of the U.K. married Louis (or Ludwig) IV, Grand Duke of Hesse. Their oldest daughter, Princess Victoria of Hesse, married her father's first cousin, Prince Louis of Battenberg who was an officer in the Royal Navy. During WWI, they changed their name to Mountbatten. Prince Philip's mother (Alice) and his Uncle (Lord Louis Mountbatten) were two of the children of Princess Victoria of Hesse and Louis of Battenberg. Therefore, most likely, Lord Louis Mountbatten was named for both his father (Louis) and his grandfather, Louis (Ludwig) IV of Hesse. And thereby the name was passed down.

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/24...tJuly1862u.png Princess Alice of U.K. & Louis IV Grand Duke of Hesse

Unfortunately Princess Alice lost a hemophiliac son, Friedrich 'Frittie' who fell out of a window and died from internal bleeding; she lost another young daughter from typhoid fever which she then also contracted and died from; in addition two other daughters (the ill-famed Tsarina) Alexandra, and Elizabeth married into Russian royalty/nobility and were killed in 1918 during the Russian Revolution.
A must read book: Victoria's Daughters, by Jerrold M. Packard (excellent history and revealing insight into the relationships between Queen Victoria and her daughters and their marriages). http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...ia_s_Daughters

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dZikRSn_ee...a6c59bc736.jpg
Princess Victoria of Hesse

The current British Prince Edward, Duke of Wessex's godfather, Louis Prince of Hesse and by Rhine, is the son of Ernest Louis, the eldest son of Alice of the U.K., and Louis (Ludwig) IV Grand Duke of Hesse (thereby Ernest is also the brother of Princess Victoria of Hesse, whose daughter Princess Alice is the mother of Prince Philip -- so Ernest is Prince Philip's great-uncle, and Louis Prince of Hesse and by Rhine is Prince Philip's cousin on his mother's side).
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Ernest Louis, Grand Duke of Hesse

Prince Philip's mother, Princess Alice of Battenburg married into the Greek royal family. Her husband Prince Andrew, was the son of George I of Greece who had been appointed to the Greek throne, but was Danish and not a native of Greece. Therefore, Prince Philip's ancestral background is Danish and German. The English ancestry for Prince Philip is not strictly by blood since his great-great-grandmother is Queen Victoria whose father, Prince Edward Duke of Kent, was the fourth son of King George III of Great Britain, who had heavy Germanic roots. Queen Victoria's father (Prince Edward) also married a German, Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld, a widow with two children. Queen Victoria (apparently named after her mother, was an only child). And as we know, Queen Victoria also married a German, Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

Meanwhile Queen Victoria's father's mother, Sophia Charlotte of Mecklinburg-Strelitz, the wife of King George III, had German ancestry on her father's side and Portuguese with some African roots on her mother's side. Known as Queen Charlotte, she was a very beloved Queen. The current Buckingham Palace was called the Queen's House after her, when King George III gave it to her as a gift.

Prince Philip was born at Windsor Castle. His mother, Princess Alice of Battenburg, was congenitally deaf and diagnosed with schizophrenia at age 30. Perhaps it was her mental illness which caused some of her eccentricities; she eventually founded an order of Greek Orthodox nuns. Due to his father having been overthrown and exiled, Prince Philip led a peripatetic life from a young age, but he's always seemed to have a sunny, robust temperament in contrast to the melancholy his parents suffered from.

Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth are third cousins via sharing the same great-great-grandmother in Queen Victoria, on Elizabeth's father's side and Philip's mother's side. As well, Philip and Elizabeth are second cousins once removed, as Christian IX of Denmark was Queen Elizabeth's great-great-grandfather through her grandfather (George V's) mother, Alexandra of Denmark (who married King Edward VII). And via Prince Philip's grandfather on his father's side, George I of Greece, who was Alexandra of Denmark's brother.
https://www.thoughtco.com/queen-eliz...philip-3530296

Note that Christian IX of Denmark had largely German and some Danish roots. His children married into many European royal families, so that most current European monarchs are descended from Christian IX. All of this inbreeding was not a great practice. It led to hemophilia, porphyria, mental illness and some unattractive physical traits. Queen Elizabeth's mother had Scottish ancestry so that was a good pairing that did not involve inbreeding. As we know, Diana Princess of Wales also has more English ancestry than does Prince Charles.

It's a good thing that British royals marrying into other European royal families is no longer a widespread practice. It's great that Prince William married a commoner and that Prince Harry may well do so too. Kate Middleton's ancestry is British on both sides -- Her father, Michael Middleton's ancestral family is from Yorkshire, and they were solicitors for about 150 years. Michael is also distantly related via a great-grandfather, to former British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain. His father, Peter Middleton, was a commercial pilot who also served as an RAF officer and fighter pilot during WWII. Coincidentally, Peter Middleton was Prince Philip's co-pilot in 1962 during a two-month tour of South America! In addition, Kate's father Michael, is a direct descendant of King Edward III of England!! So in some respects, not so 'common' after all.

Kate's mother's maiden name is Goldsmith. Carole Goldsmith Middleton's father, Ronald Goldsmith, was a builder. Her mother, Dorothy Harrison, is descended from poor working class labourers in Sunderland and County Durham. Both parents had Jewish ancestors (there is some *Sephardic Jewish antecedents in Carole's family, but that heritage has been downplayed and in some quarters, debunked). Carole Middleton's parents were neither raised in nor practiced the Jewish religion. *Sephardic Jews originate from North Africa.

More notably, Carole Middleton is descended from Elizabeth Plantagenet, the illegitimate daughter of King Edward IV of England. In addition, Carole has Scottish antecedents through Elizabeth Plantagenet, who are related to ancestors of Queen Elizabeth's mother, Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon. With this very British and very interesting background on both sides of her family, how can Kate be deemed 'common'? From looking down on her maternal grandmother's hardy, working class background?

It has been suggested that Duchess Kate's blood kinship with Queen Mother Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, is the reason why Kate wore the Queen Mother's tiara when she wed Prince William. And btw, this blood connection means that Duchess Kate and Prince William are 11th cousins once removed. But that's far enough removed to not be a problem.
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I am still tending to think that the "Louis" in George's name comes from not only William being named "Louis" after Uncle Dickie that was so close to Charles but it also was a way of inserting one of his father's name into George's. William has two of his father's names in his. Arthur and Philip.

It was the same with Charlotte. Grandma Carole's middle name is Elizabeth. Kate's middle name is Elizabeth and that continued on with Charlotte's middle name also being Elizabeth.

Usually when naming a child, the names stem from close relatives and friends.
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Yes, and just to add to what everyone has already contributed: Prince Philip's mother, Princess Alice of Battenburg, is the daughter of Princess Victoria of Hesse whose mother was Princess Alice of the United Kingdom, a daughter of Queen Victoria. Princess Alice of the U.K. married Louis (or Ludwig) IV, Grand Duke of Hesse. Their oldest daughter, Princess Victoria of Hesse, married her father's first cousin, Prince Louis of Battenberg who was an officer in the Royal Navy. During WWI, they changed their name to Mountbatten. Prince Philip's mother (Alice) and his Uncle (Lord Louis Mountbatten) were two of the children of Princess Victoria of Hesse and Louis of Battenberg. Therefore, most likely, Lord Louis Mountbatten was named for both his father (Louis) and his grandfather, Louis (Ludwig) IV of Hesse. And thereby the name was passed down.

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/24...tJuly1862u.png Princess Alice of U.K. & Louis IV Grand Duke of Hesse

Unfortunately Princess Alice lost a hemophiliac son, Friedrich 'Frittie' who fell out of a window and died from internal bleeding; she lost another young daughter from typhoid fever which she then also contracted and died from; in addition two other daughters (the ill-famed Tsarina) Alexandra, and Elizabeth married into Russian royalty/nobility and were killed in 1918 during the Russian Revolution.
A must read book: Victoria's Daughters, by Jerrold M. Packard (excellent history and revealing insight into the relationships between Queen Victoria and her daughters and their marriages). http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...ia_s_Daughters

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dZikRSn_ee...a6c59bc736.jpg
Princess Victoria of Hesse

The current British Prince Edward, Duke of Wessex's godfather, Louis Prince of Hesse and by Rhine, is the son of Ernest Louis, the eldest son of Alice of the U.K., and Louis (Ludwig) IV Grand Duke of Hesse (thereby Ernest is also the brother of Princess Victoria of Hesse, whose daughter Princess Alice is the mother of Prince Philip -- so Ernest is Prince Philip's great-uncle, and Louis Prince of Hesse and by Rhine is Prince Philip's cousin on his mother's side).
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Prince Philip's mother, Princess Alice of Battenburg married into the Greek royal family. Her husband Prince Andrew, was the son of George I of Greece who had been appointed to the Greek throne, but was Danish and not a native of Greece. Therefore, Prince Philip's ancestral background is Danish and German. The English ancestry for Prince Philip is not strictly by blood since his great-great-grandmother is Queen Victoria whose father, Prince Edward Duke of Kent, was the fourth son of King George III of Great Britain, who had heavy Germanic roots. Queen Victoria's father (Prince Edward) also married a German, Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld, a widow with two children. Queen Victoria (apparently named after her mother, was an only child). And as we know, Queen Victoria also married a German, Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

Meanwhile Queen Victoria's father's mother, Sophia Charlotte of Mecklinburg-Strelitz, the wife of King George III, had German ancestry on her father's side and Portuguese with some African roots on her mother's side. Known as Queen Charlotte, she was a very beloved Queen. The current Buckingham Palace was called the Queen's House after her, when King George III gave it to her as a gift.

Prince Philip was born at Windsor Castle. His mother, Princess Alice of Battenburg, was congenitally deaf and diagnosed with schizophrenia at age 30. Perhaps it was her mental illness which caused some of her eccentricities; she eventually founded an order of Greek Orthodox nuns. Due to his father having been overthrown and exiled, Prince Philip led a peripatetic life from a young age, but he's always seemed to have a sunny, robust temperament in contrast to the melancholy his parents suffered from.

Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth are third cousins via sharing the same great-great-grandmother in Queen Victoria, on Elizabeth's father's side and Philip's mother's side. As well, Philip and Elizabeth are second cousins once removed, as Christian IX of Denmark was Queen Elizabeth's great-great-grandfather through her grandfather (George V's) mother, Alexandra of Denmark (who married King Edward VII). And via Prince Philip's grandfather on his father's side, George I of Greece, who was Alexandra of Denmark's brother.
https://www.thoughtco.com/queen-eliz...philip-3530296

Note that Christian IX of Denmark had largely German and some Danish roots. His children married into many European royal families, so that most current European monarchs are descended from Christian IX. All of this inbreeding was not a great practice. It led to hemophilia, porphyria, mental illness and some unattractive physical traits. Queen Elizabeth's mother had Scottish ancestry so that was a good pairing that did not involve inbreeding. As we know, Diana Princess of Wales also has more English ancestry than does Prince Charles.

It's a good thing that British royals marrying into other European royal families is no longer a widespread practice. It's great that Prince William married a commoner and that Prince Harry may well do so too. Kate Middleton's ancestry is British on both sides -- Her father, Michael Middleton's ancestral family is from Yorkshire, and they were solicitors for about 150 years. Michael is also distantly related via a great-grandfather, to former British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain. His father, Peter Middleton, was a commercial pilot who also served as an RAF officer and fighter pilot during WWII. Coincidentally, Peter Middleton was Prince Philip's co-pilot in 1962 during a two-month tour of South America! In addition, Kate's father Michael, is a direct descendant of King Edward III of England!! So in some respects, not so 'common' after all.

Kate's mother's maiden name is Goldsmith. Carole Goldsmith Middleton's father, Ronald Goldsmith, was a builder. Her mother, Dorothy Harrison, is descended from poor working class labourers in Sunderland and County Durham. Both parents had Jewish ancestors (there is some *Sephardic Jewish antecedents in Carole's family, but that heritage has been downplayed and in some quarters, debunked). Carole Middleton's parents were neither raised in nor practiced the Jewish religion. *Sephardic Jews originate from North Africa.

More notably, Carole Middleton is descended from Elizabeth Plantagenet, the illegitimate daughter of King Edward IV of England. In addition, Carole has Scottish antecedents through Elizabeth Plantagenet, who are related to ancestors of Queen Elizabeth's mother, Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon. With this very British and very interesting background on both sides of her family, how can Kate be deemed 'common'? From looking down on her maternal grandmother's hardy, working class background?

It has been suggested that Duchess Kate's blood kinship with Queen Mother Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, is the reason why Kate wore the Queen Mother's tiara when she wed Prince William. And btw, this blood connection means that Duchess Kate and Prince William are 11th cousins once removed. But that's far enough removed to not be a problem.


Prince Philip was born at Mon Repos in Corfu, Greece, not Windsor Castle.
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Prince Philip was born at Mon Repos in Corfu, Greece, not Windsor Castle.
It was Philip's mother that was born at Windsor Castle. Philip's father also wasn't overthrown and exiled. Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, was the seventh child and fourth son of King George I of Greece and Olga Constantinovna of Russia. It was his father that was overthrown and the family went into exile.

I think this conversation is best suited somewhere in the genealogy thread?
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So true. Philip was born in Greece but both his mother and maternal grandmother were born at Windsor Castle which led to one of his famous comments. When being shown around Windsor Castle - either after the engagement, marriage or accession he was told 'you will enjoy living here sir as it is so full of history' 'I know - my mother was born here.'

A small correction - Prince Andrew of Greece's father was not overthrown. He was assassinated in 1913. It was Andrew's brother/s who were overthrown and forced to flee.
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Thanks much for the correction on the assassination of George I. That part has always been a bit fuzzy in my head.

One thing for sure is that George and Charlotte sure have a colorful family history to delve into eh? George's name can be attributed to Philip's side of the family too if we're seeking historical Georges.
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Prince Philip was born at Mon Repos in Corfu, Greece, not Windsor Castle.
Ah thanks, my mistake. I remember reading an anecdote* about Prince Philip being given a tour of Windsor Castle, and he was impatient with his tour guide because he was already familiar with the residence (likely from having visited as a boy with his mother). The anecdote mentioned something about a birth there, but since my recall is faulty, it probably referenced that Philip's mother had been born there, not him!

And yes, Philip's mother, Princess Alice of Battenberg, was actually born at Windsor Castle, most likely when her mother, Princess Victoria of Hesse, was in England visiting royal relatives.

My own previous post was so overlong, perhaps you could have just cited the error in question, rather than re-posting in its entirety in your post! Just a thought.

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* Yes, it's the same Philip anecdote that @ILuvBertie related above I just didn't remember it accurately. And thanks for the additional correction ILuvBertie regarding the Greek monarchy woes suffered by Philip's family. Not a very stable country politically to be appointed to rule, eh!
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Sure this is overlapping info that's taking off from the queries about who George's names are associated with.

Makes sense, yes, @Countessmeout from the documentary on Philip that I've seen but I don't have perfect recall of. And also some of what you mention might be slightly dealt with in the book I cited earlier, Victoria's Daughters, by Jerrold M. Packard. I read it last year. And it's a wonderful read, very engrossing and revealing. It portrays Queen Victoria and her daughters in very human terms, and not as cardboard cutout emotionless titled royalty. Apparently, I am getting confused betweeen Princess Alice of the U.K. who lived mostly in Germany, and her oldest daughter Princess Victoria of Hesse, who indeed married her father's cousin who was serving in the British Royal Navy. Likely a reason why Louis Mountbatten and Philip as well, followed suit in building their naval careers.

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I am still tending to think that the "Louis" in George's name comes from not only William being named "Louis" after Uncle Dickie that was so close to Charles but it also was a way of inserting one of his father's name into George's. William has two of his father's names in his. Arthur and Philip.

It was the same with Charlotte. Grandma Carole's middle name is Elizabeth. Kate's middle name is Elizabeth and that continued on with Charlotte's middle name also being Elizabeth.

Usually when naming a child, the names stem from close relatives and friends.
Well, the 'Louis' in Charles' name is from Lord Mountbatten. And Mountbatten was most likely named for his father, and his grandfather. Prince William is named after Charles' older cousin, Prince William of Gloucester (but obviously that moniker is also a historical British royal name), as are the Arthur, Philip and Louis names. 'Louis' is the French version of the Germanic 'Ludwig.' And 'Louis' was adopted into English.
https://www.behindthename.com/name/ludwig

Princess Charlotte having 'Elizabeth' as one of her names certainly covers all the possible family name connections, huh! But it's surely mainly in tribute to her great-grandmother, the Queen. Just as 'Charlotte' is in tribute to her grandfather Charles, but it's also a historical name for a British Queen: King George III's wife, Sophia Charlotte who was called Queen Charlotte.

Then comes the question about 'Alexander' as George's second name. Is it in honor of William's friend, Alexander Gilkes, or an immediate or historical family name? Interestingly, Prince Philip has only two given names (Philip Andrew), while Lord Mountbatten had five given names, and Prince Charles and Prince William have four given names. Prince George was provided only three given names. So why not 'George Philip Louis', I wonder. Or 'George Philip Louis Andrew'? Probably none of his names are 'Michael' after his Middleton grandparent because that's not a historic royal name, and it might recall too much the name of the popular singer who died recently. Anyway, Prince George certainly resembles his grandfather physically, since he takes a lot after his mother's side of the family with his brown eyes, his nose, and his grin. He has the Windsor knock-kneed legs though, and apparently, the Spencer charm.

BTW, Princess Charlotte and Prince George are growing cuter and sweeter every day. They certainly appear to be quite a handful for their parents, both individually and collectively.
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Small correction. Charles does not have Louis in his name. His full name is Charles Philip Arthur George.
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I have never seen, before, that Philip has two names. I have only ever seen the one - Philip - which I believe is traditionally the way things are done in the Greek Orthodox faith - one name only.

On his marriage certificate, for instance, he says his name is Philip Mountbatten while the Queen has all her names listed. http://www.hellomagazine.com/imagene...ificate--a.jpg

Looking at Charles' marriage certificate to Camilla - again all their names http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...52_634x286.jpg
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Sure this is overlapping info that's taking off from the queries about who George's names are associated with.

Makes sense, yes, @Countessmeout from the documentary on Philip that I've seen but I don't have perfect recall of. And also some of what you mention might be slightly dealt with in the book I cited earlier, Victoria's Daughters, by Jerrold M. Packard. I read it last year. And it's a wonderful read, very engrossing and revealing. It portrays Queen Victoria and her daughters in very human terms, and not as cardboard cutout emotionless titled royalty. Apparently, I am getting confused betweeen Princess Alice of the U.K. who lived mostly in Germany, and her oldest daughter Princess Victoria of Hesse, who indeed married her father's cousin who was serving in the British Royal Navy. Likely a reason why Louis Mountbatten and Philip as well, followed suit in building their naval careers.



Well, the 'Louis' in Charles' name is from Lord Mountbatten. And Mountbatten was most likely named for his father, and his grandfather. Prince William is named after Charles' older cousin, Prince William of Gloucester (but obviously that moniker is also a historical British royal name), as are the Arthur, Philip and Louis names. 'Louis' is the French version of the Germanic 'Ludwig.' And 'Louis' was adopted into English.
https://www.behindthename.com/name/ludwig

Princess Charlotte having 'Elizabeth' as one of her names certainly covers all the possible family name connections, huh! But it's surely mainly in tribute to her great-grandmother, the Queen. Just as 'Charlotte' is in tribute to her grandfather Charles, but it's also a historical name for a British Queen: King George III's wife, Sophia Charlotte who was called Queen Charlotte.

Then comes the question about 'Alexander' as George's second name. Is it in honor of William's friend, Alexander Gilkes, or an immediate or historical family name? Interestingly, Prince Philip has only two given names (Philip Andrew), while Lord Mountbatten had five given names, and Prince Charles and Prince William have four given names. Prince George was provided only three given names. So why not 'George Philip Louis', I wonder. Or 'George Philip Louis Andrew'? Probably none of his names are 'Michael' after his Middleton grandparent because that's not a historic royal name, and it might recall too much the name of the popular singer who died recently. Anyway, Prince George certainly resembles his grandfather physically, since he takes a lot after his mother's side of the family with his brown eyes, his nose, and his grin. He has the Windsor knock-kneed legs though, and apparently, the Spencer charm.

BTW, Princess Charlotte and Prince George are growing cuter and sweeter every day. They certainly appear to be quite a handful for their parents, both individually and collectively.
Philip only has one name, Philip. Greek royaks follow orthodox tradition in that. You will find that even now. Pavlos kids have two, but double barrel first names.

Alexander is a historical British name. Several kings of Scotland had it. It's also the masculine of Alexandra. Alexabdras short lived son usually referred to as John, was actually Alexander John.There have been a few members of the family since Alexandra, to have the masculine. Prince Richard does, his heir has it as a first name and grandson is Xan (form). Alexander can Aldo be found in Battenberg family. Alices grandfather was Prince Alexander of Hesse. There are also a few in the Greek family.
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I am still tending to think that the "Louis" in George's name comes from not only William being named "Louis" after Uncle Dickie that was so close to Charles but it also was a way of inserting one of his father's name into George's. William has two of his father's names in his. Arthur and Philip.

It Usually when naming a child, the names stem from close relatives and friends.
Obvioulsly it is a connextion with Louis Mountbatten and its one of WIlliams names. and Elizabeth in Charlotte's name is obviously for the queen, I'd say more than Carole Middleton.
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Good thing Diana got her way in naming William and Henry.

I laughed at her comment that the alternatives were Arthur and Albert, and she could not accept those choices!
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