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Not anymore, it was passed through grandduchess Alice of Hesse, to her daughters Pss Irene of Prussia and Empress Alexandra of Prussia. The descendents of these ladies either didn't maarry at all or didn't marry any of the anscestors of today's royals. Prince Leopold's line also had the gene, which was transferred to Pss Alice, countess of Athlone. Her son rupert was hemophilic. I don't know if her daughter May Abel-Smith had the gene, but her descendents didn't marry royalty either. The 3rd child of Victoria to pass the gene was Pss Beatrice of Battenberg, her daughter Queen Victoria-Eugenia of Spain had a hemophilic son. Her two daughters didn't marry royalty but Victoria-Eugenia's great-granddaughter Pss Sybilla of Luxembourg could theoretically have the gene, though there are no signs that she has (so I assume she doesn't transmit it).
So in short, none of todays royals can have hemophilia through the genes of Queen Victoria.
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Old 02-10-2006, 07:38 PM
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Thanks! What about through the line of Queen Marie of Romania?
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Old 02-10-2006, 07:42 PM
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Yeah but since most of them are related in some ways, the gene pool is still small.

It'll be healthier to marry outsiders, just to add more to the gene pool.
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Perhaps many years from now, when some generations have passed in the Royal Houses, it will become an issue that there is almost no "royal blood" left and perhaps the republicans will use that argument then - but not in these times.
Or they can do what the ancient Romans did, when the Julio-Claudian dynasty died out...accept that someone who was not of royal, or in this case imperial, blood (which to the Romans was quite a relief considering the last of the line) could do just as well, if not better in the role.

I'm thinking of the Emperor Trajan -- commoner, AND non-Roman-born (Spanish).
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I think the only RF left in Europe that tends to stick to marrying nobility is the Belgian RF. The current King Albert and his late brother King Baudouin both married princesses/high nobility. Prince Philippe married a noblewoman, and his sister Astrid married a nobleman.

If this keeps up, the Saxe-Coburgs will be the only truly blue-blooded Royals left!

I wonder why? Is there some kind of rule that they have?
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Old 08-05-2008, 02:29 AM
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It does not happen often that royals marry a royal ,noble, or an arisocrat.
But the princely family of Liechtenstein is the only other reigning house other
than Beligum were their royals continue to marry a royal,noble, or an arisocrat.
Here is a list of those who have done what I have mention above:
1.Hereditary Prince Alois married Princess Sophia of Bavaria (who is a German royal princess at birth).
2.Prince Constantin married Countess Maria Gabriele Franciska (who is noble).
3.Princess Tatjiana married Baron Phillp von Lattofff (who is noble).
4.Prince Nikolaus married Princess Maragretha of Luxembourg (who is a Luxembourgish
royal princess at birth).
5.Princess Nora who married Marquess de Marino (who was noble).
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is it possible for a royal to marry some one who 's parents werent married?? will there be adversity??
Depends on the country, I think. If it was a catholic country there might be a problem, but I doubt it would be a problem in the scandinavian countries. At least in Denmark, since it's quite common here to have kids and live together but not be married. It's not considered shamefull or anything like that. At least not in the later 20-30 years after the generations of the 60'ties and 70'ties. My parents were never married, they didn't even live together and I've never heard one bad word about it, especially not today where we have a whole generation of kids and youngsters whose parents aren't married or are divorced.
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[quote=Jamerican;375265]Hi, Catherine!


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As for a black person marrying into a European Royal family; As a black person, here is my opinion:

A black man definitely could not do it, even if he is Kofi Annan's son, a diplomat, a member of Mensa and holds a graduate degree from Harvard (Magna Cum laude). Perhaps that goes without saying. Can you imagine the reaction in Sweden if Crown Princess Victoria presented the above black man as her fiancee? (are you scared yet? ;-) )I think that both Carl Gustaf and Silvia would probably have to be heavily sedated.

Where do you get this silly idea?? Of course it would be perfectly posible. You seem to have the idea that Europe is a racist continent. We're not more or less than others, and a black prince or princess would be perfectly possible.

I'm not going to assume your ethnicity, but perhaps you could take into consideration that I get this 'silly' idea from my own experience as a black person, who has lived and travelled through Europe. Sure, it's possible for a black man to marry into a Reigning Royal family, just like it's possible to find a cure for cancer. I just don't think it's likely. I wouldn't say that all Europeans are rapaging racists, but I personally think that racism is still a major problem in Europe. Sometimes it is relatively dormant, sometimes it is not. Perhaps you snoozed through the riots in France, and somehow missed the comments regarding the 'Black Prince" in Monaco, and skipped over the statements made by a member of the Dansk Volkparti regarding Frederik marrying a black woman when Joachim got engaged to Alexandra. I certainly didn't miss them, but then, I'm a light sleeper.

I used Crown Princess Victoria in my little hypothetical scenario specifically because she will one day be Queen, which of course means that one day her children will reign. Which means if she married a black man, a black person would sit on the throne of Sweden.(not that there hasn't been people of black blood in Europe's monarchies in the past-but it was kept hush hush) I don't think there would be rivers of blood running through the streets of Stockholm over this, but I think there would be some murmuring, maybe even some talk about the 'validity of the monarchy' ; at the least, it would trigger a debate. There would be less controversy if the Royal in question who is marrying a black person is much lower in the line of succession. After all, Lady Davina Lewis is married to a man who is half Maori, and it didn't cause any problem in England. But then, she is so far down in the line of succession that what she does really doesn't matter.

However, that woman would have to have the same qualifications as the black man above, and god help her if she makes a mistake. She will have even less margin for error than our friend Mary.

I think you're right there might be problems with some parts of the public in these countries but I dont see a problem with the larger public, so if the monarchy already had a large amount of support from the public, it would'nt be the end of it. I think most people would see through the race issue and if it was true love, and she (I agree it would probably be a bit more difficult for a man than a woman) would be very much accepted and even loved by most people. You mention dansk folkeparti, but even though they have a rather large (and must I say embarrassing) support in the danish public, they are nowhere near speaking for half of the population. Therefore it would not be the end of the danish monarchy since the support for the danish is very high, and if a danish prince was to fall in love with a black woman and would insist on going through with the marriage, it could happen. The strength of his love and his personal strength to face debate would be the deciding factor here, not the racist views of some danes.
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Still, inbreeding is bad.
Why? and please don'use QV and haemophilia as an example. This disease was NOT caused by inbreeding, NOR did it spread because of inbreeding. There is a great divide in the royal families of Europe that means families from one side are not closely related to families on the other. That divide is called Religion. If William of Wales was allowed to marry a Catholic there are dozens of Princesss he could choose from and be only remotley related to them. All the Bavarians, Habsburgs, Liechtensteins and most of the Bourbons for starters.
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No there not that divided as you are saying here is a few examples why.
The Danish royals and the Swedish royals are 1st cousins by blood.
The Beligan royals andLuxembourg royals are 1st cousins by blood.
The Swedish royals and Norways royals are related but I forget how.
Once your related no matter how close or far you are still related and
that is why the reigning royals are not marrying one another.
There seeking another people to marry that are not related some
marry nobles, an arisocrtats,but most royals are marrying commoners.
Some royals might be afraid to marry a close or distant cousin because
their children could possibly come out as retarded or lame.
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Why? and please don'use QV and haemophilia as an example.
On a scientific note, inbreeding is indeed bad because the child of married parents who are also blood relatives stand to inherit the bad genes as well, resulting in the higher risk of inheriting diseases (mostly the genetic disorders). That stands for everyone, regardless of social stature, race, religion, etc.

Here is an example of their argument against inbreeding:
Considering Consanguinity (Inbreeding) | blog.bioethics.net
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I think the only RF left in Europe that tends to stick to marrying nobility is the Belgian RF. The current King Albert and his late brother King Baudouin both married princesses/high nobility. Prince Philippe married a noblewoman, and his sister Astrid married a nobleman.

If this keeps up, the Saxe-Coburgs will be the only truly blue-blooded Royals left!

I wonder why? Is there some kind of rule that they have?
Prince Laurent did'nt marry a noblewoman, although Princess Claire behaviour's is really high standard!
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Prince Laurent did'nt marry a noblewoman, although Princess Claire behaviour's is really high standard!

Of course, you are right. Thanks for the reminder and I agree 100% about Claire. She is one of the best things to happen to the Belgian RF, IMO.
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No there not that divided as you are saying here is a few examples why.
The Danish royals and the Swedish royals are 1st cousins by blood.
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Your examples only highlight the divide I was talking about. Only one relationship goes against the divide - that is that King of Norway (Protestant) is a first cousin of the King of Belgium (Catholic). The Habsburg, Bavarians and Bourbons (other than the Spanish) are only distantly related to the Swedish/Norwegian/British/Dutch and Danish families. When they are related it is through an intermediary such as the Greek Royal families.
That is why I think it is good that many of the royals who are marrying royalty are doing so across the relgious divide, Ad Georg and Duchess Elika, Prince Manuel of Bavaria and Princess Anna are examples of royals who are extremly distantly related. So much so that it makes no difference.
Everyone is related - just look at the London Lord Mayor who has recently discovered that he is descended from the Wurttemburgs and so all the other royal families in Europe.

I'm certainly not recomending 1st cousin marriages or even second cousin. I'm well aware of the problems that inheriting 'bad' genes from both parents can cause. Remember though that the parents don't have to be related to inherit the 'bad' genes from both parents. But marrying further back does not cause the problems with inbreeding that constant close cousin matings do.
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their children could possibly come out as retarded or lame.
You do have something there as I wonder if Georg Friedrich of Prussias sisters problems were a genetic fault due to inbreeding and I would be pretty sure that the Orleans habit of marrying only other descendants of King Luois Phillipe has caused the problems for the two oldest children of the Count of Paris.
But isuch problems are no more common than the general population.
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fearghas to correct you the Beligian royals and Luxemboug royals are catholic.
And the Danish and Swedish royals are protestant.The protestant royals can
marry catholic royals but they might not want to convert to become catholic.
They might want to stay protestant and that is why they marry other protestant
royals.I know you don't have to be related to pass bad genes but it is more likey to
happen when your parents are related.This generation of royals have it easier then
their ancestors were they could only marry a follow royal and if they did not they
would lose their royal status.I am happy royals are marrying for love and not for title.
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fearghas to correct you the Beligian royals and Luxemboug royals are catholic.
And the Danish and Swedish royals are protestant.
UM that's what I said. re read my post you will see that.
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UM that's what I said. re read my post you will see that.


I saw protestant Belguim and Luxembourg and catholic Danish and Swedish. In part of your pevious post I see you corrected it later down in your post.
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No the formatting was stuffed up. I'd put the Protestant bit after the actual quote from you but the formatting put it on a seperate line, with another line between them so it looks like the relgion is above the wrong royal families. Sorry about that.
BTW just looking through another thread I have discovered that Princess Cornelias mental disability was caused not by inbreeding as I thought might have been possible but rather by a disease that can occur during pregnancy and is now treatble though it wasn't back then.
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well i am a traditionalist and i believe they shoul've have marry people their own ranks and i dont mean it to be a princess of royal blood it can be a duchess,a countess, baroness or an asristocrats .yes time have change and i dont find any problem with commoner. some commoners princess are suitable for the job such as mary of australia
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People should marry people for whom they care. There is no difference between royalty and commoners, only the division that some people see. It is nonsense. There are some "royals who are quite common" and some commoners that are quite royal It is a division of a times past. We are all the same. They have better jobs. As for a black person marrying into a reigning royal family, you have Angela Brown who married into the RF of Liechtenstein by marrying Prince Maximilian. No one fainted.
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