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Old 04-12-2005, 10:19 PM
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well, as albert II is the only heir/current ruler still available that i can think of, do you think the people of monaco would accept a person of color? i read on alt.royalty sometime ago that he had wanted to marry a black women but that princess grace had said no. i don't know how true that is.
I think today the citizens of Monaco would accept a person of color as Princess. Although, I think Princess Grace would be a tough act to follow. The people of Monaco from what I have been told, read, and seen from magazines don't strike me as ignorant or racist. The question is how the rest of the world, specifically Europe would react to such a situation.

In 2005, it seems almost archaic that a woman of color or a black woman could not be Crown Princess, especially in light of recent royal marriages.As long as the woman is suitable, from a good family, is intelligent and well educated, I don't think race or ethnicity should matter.
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Old 04-12-2005, 10:39 PM
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totally agree with you Alisa.!!!
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Old 04-13-2005, 12:41 AM
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i couldn't agree more with you alisa. ethnicity, race, nationalities, shouldn't matter when royals marry b/c they should marry someone b/c they love some one, even though i feel that they should come from, just as you stated, good, solid, backgrounds.
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Old 04-13-2005, 10:40 AM
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I think that things are changing, slowly but most certainly. Danes were very supportive of Joachim marrying Alexandra, a woman of multi-racial background which includes Asian descent. Many people are very disappointed at present that this marriage has ended. I am one of them.

Maria Teresa of Luxembourg is a hispanic woman of color and she and Henri appeared to have had and are still having a lovely life with their family.

Let's not forget that Maxmillian and Angela of Liechtenstein who is a woman of color (african and hispanic descent) born in Panama and raised in New York for most of her life. They certainly set a precedent. This RF, however, doesn't get as much media attention as perhaps royals from larger countries, however, I never hear any bad news about them. As a matter of fact, the last information that I saw about Angela showed photographs of her and her sister-in-law, I believe, awarding prizes at a competition in Liechtenstein.

As you can see here and there have been some strides, and some positive examples of women of color and different ethnicities being accepted into royal houses.

Let's hope that we will not have to wait twenty years to see even more changes.
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Old 04-13-2005, 01:20 PM
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Maria Teresa of Luxembourg is a hispanic woman of color and she and Henri appeared to have had and are still having a lovely life with their family.
Where is Maria Teresa from?
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Many of you ladies are very optimistic about the possibility of change coming with reference to a cp of color, and I think that is a good thing. If I can't be optimistic somebody has to be. I just see it as a slim to none chance of it occuring in the next 20 or 30 years, but who knows...stranger things have happened.
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Old 04-13-2005, 02:20 PM
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I do think that Sommone might be a bit right because, even in ordinary families, people still have trouble when it comes to interracial marriage.
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Old 04-13-2005, 08:41 PM
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GD Maria Teresa was born Maria Teresa Mestre in Havana, Cuba.
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Old 04-14-2005, 12:13 AM
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I'd like to be optimistic too, but I just don't know. Of course if you would have asked me a few years ago if I thought a crown prince could marry a single mother or a divorcee, I would have said not a chance.
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Old 04-14-2005, 12:56 PM
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I don't think that i'm necessarily being optimistic. It is just my opinion that I honestly wouldn't have a problem with a woman of color marrying into a well known royal family.

I am not optimistic or pessimistic, i'm in the middle. I wouldn't be surprised if person of color was marrying into a royal family and I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't happen in the next 20 years.
Like pallas athina said, I don't think the current batch of Crown Princesses were expected.
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Old 04-14-2005, 01:46 PM
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Indeed the current batch of CP was definitely not expected, specially for Mette-Marit and Letizia. Mary has done well for herself, I think. I've never heard of scandals or past relationships coming back to haunt her. She was a lawyer I think.
As for Letizia, although she is a divorcee, she was a public figure in Spain and had a great career, so maybe that compensates for her family background.
A great move also for Morroco's Princess Salma who is a young professional. She is from a very modest home too but seemed irreprochable as to her life.
As for MM, does someone know if she has ever worked and which field?
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Old 04-14-2005, 09:04 PM
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I do think that Sommone might be a bit right because, even in ordinary families, people still have trouble when it comes to interracial marriage.
It's rather unfortunate that in the year 2005 some people still have problems with interracial marriages, whether it is ordinary couples or famous couples like royal couples. I think it's rather a bad reflection on those people who have such problems.
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Indeed the current batch of CP was definitely not expected, specially for Mette-Marit and Letizia. Mary has done well for herself, I think. I've never heard of scandals or past relationships coming back to haunt her. She was a lawyer I think.
Actually recently there was a story about an ex-boyfriend of Mary's. They dated for several years and lived together. It was not a big scandal as most people understandably realized that Mary is a woman in her thirties and was not completely naive about men or relationships when she met and married Frederik.

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As for Letizia, although she is a divorcee, she was a public figure in Spain and had a great career, so maybe that compensates for her family background.
What exactly is it about her family background that required "compensation" by her career? Because her parents are divorced? She comes from a family with respected journalists in their own rights and parents who are educated and both of whom have never committed any crimes or the like. So what about the Ortiz-Roscalano family need "compensating" exactly? I'm confused on this one.
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Old 04-14-2005, 09:21 PM
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Spain is a catholic country and they used to be very strict about divorce and so on. So it is, I think because Letizia was known that she was easily accepted as a CP. Fromer girlfriends of Felipe who came from divorced families or where models (which to some people is not a respectable job) were not liked.
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Spain is a catholic country and they used to be very strict about divorce and so on. So it is, I think because Letizia was known that she was easily accepted as a CP. Fromer girlfriends of Felipe who came from divorced families or where models (which to some people is not a respectable job) were not liked.
Which of Felipe's previous girlfriends were divorced or came from disrespectful families? Isabelle Sartorius was very well liked and came from a very good family.

As for his former girlfriends who were models, like Eva Sannum, they were not liked or considered ideal as the future Princess of Asturias because of their modelling jobs and the availability of pictures of them half nake or naked. Eva particularly got a lot of flack for having modelled in her underwear.
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Old 04-14-2005, 09:42 PM
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Isabel Sartorius' parents were divorced and that, at the time, caused problems. She was an aristocrat I believe but the King and Queen did not like her also because she was older than the Prince.
Times have changed and what was unacceptable became OK also because Felipe is older and they were eager to see him married. If I read correctly in the spanish press that he definitly told his parents that it was either Letizia or nobody,
I'll get you the articles if I can.
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Old 04-14-2005, 09:51 PM
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Genevieve, can you read spanish?

Isabel Sartorius. Su encuentro con don Felipe tuvo un marco tan casual como solidario: una conferencia impartida por un primo sacerdote de Isabel sobre Perú. Al acabar, el primo les presenta, él le pide su número de teléfono y dos meses más tarde, ambos veraneaban en Mallorca. Isabel Sartorius ha permanecido como la princesa ideal para los españoles hasta el día de difuntos de 2003. En contra: No gustaba porque era hija de separados, no tenía sangre azul y era casi cuatro años mayor que él.
Source : El Mundo


I have other articles about that story if you want.
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Old 04-14-2005, 09:56 PM
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http://www.el-mundo.es/encuentros/in...s/2003/11/875/
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Old 04-17-2005, 04:27 PM
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I personally think that Royalty should marry for love and not for having true royal blood in them. After all, didn't all royals start out as commoners?(think WAY in the days.) What about Napoleon? He was just a general or something like that. Then he became a royal. By the way, has there been any European royalty who's married an Asian commoner? Thx.
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Prince Joaqim (sp?) was married to Alexandra Manley who was half British and half Chinese. He's the second son of the Danish queen. They divorced this month however after about 10 years of marriage.
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