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Old 07-13-2006, 11:44 AM
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I wasn't able to find any pictures of Blanche. I managed to find a minuature of Jeanne and 2 portraits of Marguerite (who is very beautiful, imo).
Their lovers were not famous or noble enough to be depicted in portraits, at least those, who survived and we know of.



Marguerite de Borgogne, source - www.france-secret.com



Marguerite de Borgogne, source - www.mboullic.club.fr



Philippe VI, Jeanne de Bourgogne, and Jean de France in Prayer, source - metmuseum
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Old 07-13-2006, 12:09 PM
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...Another royal scandal concerns King Carol II of Romania (1893-1953) who was married to Princess Helen of Greece. Carol had a mistress, Elena Lupescu known also as Magda, a not noble daughter of a pharmacist from Moldavia. He abandoned his wife and little son Michal and also his duties and moved with Magda abroad and wrote to his parents that it would be better to announce that he died in a car accident...
Yeah, that was pretty trifling. I read about in Born to Rule. There are quite a few books about there royal scandals. Dirt sells whether its old or new!
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Old 07-14-2006, 05:08 AM
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Gabriëlle d'Estrées..
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Gabriëlle d'Estrées..
Who is that?
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Old 07-15-2006, 12:03 AM
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Gabrielle d'Estrees was the mistress of King Henry IV of France. She was also the Duchess of Beaufort.

Henry was married to Marguerite de Valois but Henry and Gabrielle were openly affectionate towards each other, so their relationship was paraded in Marguerite's face basically. Henry wanted to marry Gabrielle and gave her his coronation ring I think. They had children together though and gave birth to a stillborn baby and then she suffered a heart attack and died. I am not sure if they actually married though, anyone know?

Unfortnately that is all I know of her.
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Old 07-15-2006, 12:35 AM
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There is more information about Gabrielle here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabrielle_d'Estr%C3%A9e

Gabrielle was more of Henry's wife than Marguerite ever was. I feel sad for the wives who had to see their cheating husbands flaunt their mistresses and illegitimate children and the women could say nothing about it.
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Old 07-15-2006, 03:39 AM
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Gabrielle was more of Henry's wife than Marguerite ever was. I feel sad for the wives who had to see their cheating husbands flaunt their mistresses and illegitimate children and the women could say nothing about it.
I agree withyou here. many princeses were married for political reasons, and in addition had to endure their husband's mistresses.:(

But in the case of king Henri IV and Marguerite of Valois, it was a bit different. Henri and her had mutual affection, but that didn't prevent her to have many lovers...just see or read La Reine Margot. :)
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Old 07-15-2006, 11:58 AM
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So Marguerite was unfaithful as well?
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Old 07-15-2006, 12:49 PM
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My goodness! wow. I guess people would have thought Ms. Howard was a bit silly (crazy actually) given the way Henry's past 4 wives ended up! What was she thinking!?!?

I did not know that Cleopatra had a child by both Julius Ceasar and Marc Antony !

Whatever happened to those children? Did they survive to adulthood?

Also, have you heard of any other Queens in history that has affairs?
her child with caesar was killed, her other children with anthony were raised by anthonys wife after their deaths. a daughter become queen of ?zenobia??? not sure of the country sorry.
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Old 07-15-2006, 01:24 PM
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This is what Avalon wrote about Cleopatra's children.

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About Marc Antony/Cleopatra/Caesar

1. Caesar most certainly did know about his son, moreover, the conservative republicans were very offended, because Cleopatra used to live in Rome (in Caesar's residence) with Caesarion, whom Caesar openly acknowledged.
2. Marc Antony and Cleopatra had children, twins (Alexander Helios and Cleopatra Selene) and a son (Ptolemy Philadelphos). One of the reasons Rome was so dissatisfied with Marc Antony, was that he started giving away lands to his children. Alexander Helios was named Great King of the Seleucid Empire, Cleopatra Selene was called Queen of Cyrenaica and Crete and Ptolemy Philadelphos was named King of Syria and Asia Minor. Antony also proclaimed Cleopatra King of Kings (yes, king). As for Caesarion, Antony openly proclaimed he was to be Caesar's successor as his only son.
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So Marguerite was unfaithful as well?
Definitely, she was unfaithful to Henri during their marriage. He knows it but apparently didn't really care... There is more info about her here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marguerite_de_Valois
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Marguerite was unfaithul all right (whole Navarra knew of her lovers) but so was Henry. Gabrielle d'Estrees was definitely not his only mistress, he had a short affair even with her sister, Diane.
Henry was quite famous for his love-life.
After Gabrielle's death it took him only 3 moths to find another mistress (long-time).
Aslo, don't take everything written in Dumas books (esp, Queen Margot) for fact, because, while he is a great writer, he didn't particularly care about the accuracy of his facts.
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It says on Wikipedia, that Marguerite was in love with a Henri, duc de Guise, but her mother Catherine di Medici wouldn't let her marry him. I wonder if he was one of her lovers...
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First the wedding of Henri the IV th and Marguerite de Valois was only a political alliance and very sooner after they had a separate life. Then as Maguerite de Valois was unable to give Heir to the Crown of Fance, King IV has to annul his wedding and married Marie de Medicis in 1600 whom gave him four children. As far I know Gabielle d'ESTREE has bee a very well loved ( but not the single one) mistress of Henri IV but never he wished to marry her.
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Old 07-15-2006, 04:28 PM
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It says on Wikipedia, that Marguerite was in love with a Henri, duc de Guise, but her mother Catherine di Medici wouldn't let her marry him. I wonder if he was one of her lovers...
I suppose the editors of Wikipedia took it from "Queen Margot." Henri de Guise certainly didn't take the marriage of Henri and Margot easily but it could be the political reasons, rather then love. Since he wanted the Crown for himself, marrying the sister of the King would be a good step forward.
Plus Margot was amazingly beautiful and well-educated woman. They could be lovers, in the French court of those days it was quite possible.
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There is more information about Gabrielle here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabrielle_d'Estr%C3%A9e

Gabrielle was more of Henry's wife than Marguerite ever was. I feel sad for the wives who had to see their cheating husbands flaunt their mistresses and illegitimate children and the women could say nothing about it.
I agree. It must have been very humiliating to see that going on and to know that everybody else saw all of that too. No shame!
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First the wedding of Henri the IV th and Marguerite de Valois was only a political alliance and very sooner after they had a separate life. Then as Maguerite de Valois was unable to give Heir to the Crown of Fance, King IV has to annul his wedding and married Marie de Medicis in 1600 whom gave him four children. As far I know Gabielle d'ESTREE has bee a very well loved ( but not the single one) mistress of Henri IV but never he wished to marry her.
Well, she could not have been that loved, if he did not want to marry her at all. Still, it must have been a real scandal for his wife to witness that, I think.

Maybe he just really liked being in Gabielle's company, sort of like a habit he had acquired maybe?
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Louis XV of France was married to Maria Katarszyna Leszczynska daughter of King Stanislaw I of Poland.
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the kings of France always had had mistresses when the marriage was arranged, they were called "favorites", some of them were more famous than the queen herself, here are the most famous :

Charles VII :
Agnès Sorel (née vers 1422-1450)

François Ier :
Anne de Pisseleu, duchesse d'Étampes (1508-1580)

Henri II :
Diane de Poitiers (1499-1566)

Louis XIV :
Françoise-Athénaïs de Rochechouart de Mortemart, marquise de Montespan (1640-1707)
Louise Françoise de La Baume Le Blanc, duchesse de La Vallière (1644-1710)
Marie Angélique de Scoraille de Roussille, duchesse de Fontanges (1661-1681)
Françoise d'Aubigné, marquise de Maintenon (1635-1719

Louis XV :
Duchesse de Fontanges (1661-1681)
Duchesse de Châteauroux (1717-1744)
Marquise de Pompadour (1721-1764)
Comtesse du Barry (1743-1793)


and many others...
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I liked this book at the time but after Ms. Gregory defamed Anne Boleyn I have no time for her, I'm afraid. Her books are just not historically accurate.
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