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Old 06-27-2006, 02:47 PM
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Yes. Empress Josephine had caribbean background.
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Old 06-27-2006, 03:01 PM
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He was a king of England. He is one of the most notorius prince of wales.
What made him so notorious?

Did he make lots of scandals?
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Yes. Empress Josephine had caribbean background.
Ok, so he did marry a Josephine and he cheated on her too

Who was his son's mother? Was she royalty in Poland? What happened to the child eventually?
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Old 06-27-2006, 03:05 PM
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What about George IV who married a catholic, Mrs. Fitzherbert, in secret and later had to divorce her because his parents the king and queen found out and had already planned an alliance with Caroline of Brunswick?
Alright, who was this woman, Mrs. Fitzherbert?

Does anyone know more about her story and why she went on to marry a king in secret when she already had a husband?

(I guess he would have dumped her when he found out )
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Old 06-27-2006, 03:25 PM
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You can find George IV:s story earlier on in this thread.

It seems like the polish mistress of Napoleon was Maria Walewska and their son was named Alexander Joseph Colonna. Napoleon also had the son Charles, count of Leon, with a Louise Catherine Eleonore Denuelle de la Plaigne. I don't know what happened to the sons or their mothers. But Charles was born 1806 and died in 1881, and Alexander Joseph was born in 1810 and died in 1868. We can also note that both these mistresses were half Napoleon's age.
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Old 06-27-2006, 03:58 PM
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Not that wiki is always the most reliable source, but, it's the fastest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_IV_of_Denmark

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Sophie_Reventlow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs_Fitzherbert
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Old 06-27-2006, 04:06 PM
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You can find George IV:s story earlier on in this thread.

It seems like the polish mistress of Napoleon was Maria Walewska and their son was named Alexander Joseph Colonna. Napoleon also had the son Charles, count of Leon, with a Louise Catherine Eleonore Denuelle de la Plaigne. I don't know what happened to the sons or their mothers. But Charles was born 1806 and died in 1881, and Alexander Joseph was born in 1810 and died in 1868. We can also note that both these mistresses were half Napoleon's age.
Well, it just looks like there's one scandal after another...

Is there much about Maria Walewska? did she get along well with Bonaparte -- outside of their 'playing around' I mean:)
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Old 06-27-2006, 05:00 PM
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"For the sake of completeness we must also mention marriage for political reasons as contracted in the highest circles. In these marriages the right is also silently conceded to the man to follow his own inclinations outside of his marriage. There was a time when rulers considered it good form, a sort of royal attribute, to have at least one mistress. Thus, according to Sherr, King Frederick William I. of Prussia, otherwise noted for his temperate life, maintained an intimate relation with the wife of a general. It is well known that King August of Poland and Saxony had almost 300 illegitimate children, and that King Victor Emanuel of Italy left 32 illegitimate children. in the picturesquely situated little capital of a German principality there still stood not many years ago about a dozen beautiful villas that had been erected by the ruler for his abdicated mistresses. One might write volumes on this subject; in fact, an extensive collection of books exists that deal mainly with these piquant occurrences. In view of these facts it is indeed very necessary that sycophantical historians should strive to present the various fathers and mothers of their countries as models of domestic virtue, as faithful husbands and devoted mothers. The augurs are not yet extinct. they fatten, as in the days of Rome, upon the ignorance of the masses."

http://www.marxists.org/archive/bebe...alism/ch08.htm

See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_II_of_Poland

"Augustus II was called "the Strong" for his bear-like physical strength and for his numerous offspring. He is alleged by some to have sired either 365 or 382 children."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_II_of_England

Quite the laggard with only 22 children

See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara...s_of_Cleveland

Read "Sex with Kings", which is loads of fun!
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Old 06-27-2006, 06:19 PM
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oh my goodness! That's sure interesting!:) :p

300 children, 22 children; 382 children -- that would be enough to make one's head spin.

That's a whole town and after about 3 or 4 or 5 generations, it's a whole country of relatives

What's the name if that German principality where all these things supposedly took place? Is that information accurate?

Is the place still around today?:p
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King Victor Emanuel had 32 illigitimate children from his mistresses?

Were any of his mistresses famous?
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Old 06-27-2006, 11:30 PM
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Martinique

I believe Josephine came from Martinique.

She did cheat on Napoleon. He had to endure reports from the home front about her while at the front.
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Old 06-28-2006, 12:27 AM
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Yes, I meant Augustus the Strong. I couldn't remember his name! And looking at the page for Charles II, it mentions one of his uncomfirmed mistresses was his wet-nurse, Cristabella Wyndham. In one of those scandal books (I'm not sure which one, maybe Sex with Kings?) it mentions how she was instructed to introduce the young prince to sexual relations, and then goes into some graphic detail about what Ms. Wyndham noticed, and what the young Charles later told his mother.

Royals sure are scandalous! I hope none of today's young princes indulge in the activities of their forefathers!
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Old 06-28-2006, 12:38 AM
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How can we forget about King Alfonso XIII of Spain?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfonso_XIII_of_Spain
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Old 06-28-2006, 05:46 PM
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Would there be any info about other historical royals outside of europe and their scandalous love affairs? how about their mistresses? :p

I'm certain everything like that could not have been going on on europe only...
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Old 06-29-2006, 08:12 AM
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The difference is that non-European royals were completely allowed to have as many mistresses as they wanted, so it wasn't as scandalous as the same thing was in Europe. Christianity teaches, that sex should only happen between married couples, and adultery and fornication is not allowed. But both the Chinese emperors and the Ottoman sultans for example had a lot of mistresses/wives. It has always been okay for a man to have more than one wife in both islamic countries and far east countries.
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Right, Furienna, outside of Europe (and then the colonies of Europe) sexuality wasn't a huge issue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraglio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harem_%28household%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odalisque

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concubine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultanate_of_the_women

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valide_Sultan

In this sense, non-European scandals tended to be political and economic instead of sexual - though sexual scandals occurred as well.

See http://www.royalty.nu/Europe/index.html and http://www.royalty.nu/history/empire...ems.html#books and http://www.royalty.nu/MiddleEast/index.html for lists of books
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Old 06-30-2006, 07:49 PM
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Ok, then what about in a place like Japan?

Or India?

Has there ever been a famous emporor with more than one actual wife?

And what about any famous mistresses? :p
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Old 07-01-2006, 03:01 PM
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Well, in China, I think there was a difference between being an empress and just being an emperor's mistress. The empress had more power, and her children were the ones with rights to inherit the thrown. At least, I think that's how it was.
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The difference is that non-European royals were completely allowed to have as many mistresses as they wanted, so it wasn't as scandalous as the same thing was in Europe.
Indeed, not for the male constituents, it wasn't. (the women are perhaps a different story though, as they were supposed to adhere to different standards)This whole thread makes me wonder, was there ANY male royal on the European continent back in the day who WAS voluntarily faithfull to his consort? Was there ANY royal not corrupted by the excesses offered to him due to his position in society?
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Old 07-02-2006, 11:24 AM
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The old princes and kings weren't supposed to cheat on their wives. It was a sin to do so even for a royal. They just did it anyway, because no one could stop them.

The Brittish king George III is not supposed to have cheated on his queen Charlotte Sophie of Mecklenburg-Strelitz. Over here in Sweden, it was common for princes of the 16th and 17th centuries to have mistresses before they married but then get married to a princess from another country and stay faithful to her. The first king officially known to really cheat on his wife was Frederic I. He was married to Queen Ulrica Eleonore, but he still had a lot of children with his mistress Hedvig Taube. About the following kings Adolph Frederic, Gustav III and Gustav IV Adolph, there have been rumors, but nothing can be considered as a fact. Charles XIII cheated on his wife though, and so did Oscar I, Charles XV and Oscar II. After that, we have reached the 20th century, and things become different. It's no longer acceptable for a prince to marry a princess from another country because of politics and then have mistresses on the side.
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