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Their daughter Charlotte Augusta died when she was only twentyone years old, but she still seems to have been married to the king Leopold I of the Belgians, so she must have been married off at a young age or not too long before her death.
Charlotte Augusta married Leopold in 1816 when she was 20. She died in childbirth in 1817, but was never Queen of the Belgians (or Queen of England, she was the heiress to the throne there after all) because Leopold only become King in 1830 .
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Charlotte Augusta married Leopold in 1816 when she was 20. She died in childbirth in 1817, but was never Queen of the Belgians (or Queen of England, she was the heiress to the throne there after all) because Leopold only become King in 1830 .
Oh! She died soon after her marriage then. Just as I thought.
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Oh! She died soon after her marriage then. Just as I thought.
Oh yes, she had a short and quite sad existence (quarreling parents, isolated and only child, fighting to marry Leopold against her father's wish....) excepted for the last year of her life when she was married to Leopold. They were very fond of each other.:(
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The story of Princess Charlotte is very interesting, and very sad. However, it's not really appropriate to discuss her in the "Scandalous Royal Affairs and Mistresses" thread.

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Katherine Howard and Lola Montez

Katherine Howard was installed in Anne of Cleves retinue by the Duke of Norfolk, a Howard. The idea was to increase the Duke's and/or his family's fortunes by marrying Henry to the beautiful Katherine. Henry was clearly disatisfied with Anne of Cleves at that time.

She wasn't up to it, having various affairs. Henry was old, overweight, crotchety, and he had an ulcerating leg wound. He just wasn't the red hot lover he touted himself to be. The last affair was with a Thomas Culpepper. When executed, Katherine said "
I would rather die the wife of Culpeper than the Queen of England." And so she went.

Katherine Howard portraits and a fuller story can be found at:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/1344/howard.html


Also, pictures of Lola Montez can be found at:
http://www.zpub.com/sf/history/lola-photos.html.
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Katherine Howard was installed in Anne of Cleves retinue by the Duke of Norfolk, a Howard. The idea was to increase the Duke's and/or his family's fortunes by marrying Henry to the beautiful Katherine. Henry was clearly disatisfied with Anne of Cleves at that time.

She wasn't up to it, having various affairs. Henry was old, overweight, crotchety, and he had an ulcerating leg wound. He just wasn't the red hot lover he touted himself to be. The last affair was with a Thomas Culpepper. When executed, Katherine said "
I would rather die the wife of Culpeper than the Queen of England." And so she went.

Katherine Howard portraits and a fuller story can be found at:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/1344/howard.html


Also, pictures of Lola Montez can be found at:
http://www.zpub.com/sf/history/lola-photos.html.
So was Katherine Howard so open with her affairs that she did not care to be caught or not? From that statement, seems she really disliked her husband the King...

thanks for those links.

Are there any pics of Peter the Great and Anna Mons?
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Also, pictures of Lola Montez can be found at:
http://www.zpub.com/sf/history/lola-photos.html.

She didn't look like a bad person :o from those pics (if it's her)

But just how did she manipulate the King? And who did he take up with after her? And who was his wife?
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Oh, my God, I'm Swedish, not Danish! But let me check if I can find something. Okay... I guess she was insulted, but many kings and princes cheated on their wives back in the day, so it wasn't unusual for a princess or a queen to share her husband with other women. Examples of queens, who had to share their husbands with mistresses, was the Brittish queen Alexandra of Denmark, the Swedish queens Josephine of Leuchtenberg and Louise of the Netherlands and the French queen Marie Therese of Spain. There wasn't much for a royal woman to do. The royal marriages were just matters of politics, and love was seldom involved at all. And the men wanted to take advantage of their power.
What's the story on Josephine of Leuchtenberg?

And Louis of the Netherlands? Was she a Queen also? Who was she married to?
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So was Katherine Howard so open with her affairs that she did not care to be caught or not? From that statement, seems she really disliked her husband the King...

thanks for those links.

Are there any pics of Peter the Great and Anna Mons?
Catherine wasn't open with her affair with Thomas Culpeper - there was only one while she was married and its been said that the affair was encouraged by her uncle to get a child on the chances that Henry VIII was sterile and would blame the lack of children on his wife. Henry had already said that she wouldn't be crowned unless she bore a son.

The first murmurs against Catherine though were about her previous sexual relationship with her music teacher while she was still a young teenager and living with her grandmother, the Dowager Duchess of Norfolk. The Dowager Duchess was old and blind and couldn't supervise the teenagers very well so apparently their sexual escapades were well known locally.

Henry appeared willing to forgive Kate at first but the Norfolks had powerful enemies who spread rumours of Kate's indiscretions all over the courts of Europe. Henry's male ego was wounded at being publically humiliated and then the affair with Thomas Culpeper was discovered.

Catherine had been indiscreet but no one could have predicted when she was a young girl in Norfolk that the King would have taken a fancy to her and once Henry VIII decided to marry, he was not easily put off. Later she was also used as a tool by her family's enemies who manoevered Catherine and Henry's pride to get what they wanted.

It was pretty sordid all the way around.
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So it sounds like poor Katherine Howard stood no chance from the very beginning:(, especially with Henry VIII for a husband.

And Henry VIII should have known that a young woman couldn't have been so interested in him actually, given that rather unappealing discription -- smelly wounds an everything -- and his age
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Teh next king was Christian 6. and he was married ti Sophie Magdalene of Saxen-Hildeburghausen. They were wery pietistic and banned all theater in Denmark.
They were not wery liked by the ppl because they stayed at the castle all the time. When they were crowned the queen got a new crown because she didnt wanted to wear the one Anna Sophie Rewentlow had worn.
I guess Christian VI of Denmark never had an affair then, especially sequestered away in the castle where he could not get to anyone and nobody could get to him.:p

His wife must've been happy 'locked away' like that, how many children did they have?

Is there any picture of the old crown and the one that she got to replace it?
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What's the story on Josephine of Leuchtenberg?

And Louis of the Netherlands? Was she a Queen also? Who was she married to?
Josephine of Leuchtenberg, or Josefina as she was called in Sweden, was born in 1807 as the daughter of Eugene de Beauharnais and Augusta of Bavaria. Eugene was the son of Napoleon Bonaparte's first wife Josephine, and as an imperial stepson, he actually could marry princess Augusta and have principalties of his own. Augusta of Bavaria was a real princess with a good lineage. But after Napoleon's downfall, Eugene and Augusta had to move back to Bavaria, where Augusta's parents granted the family the princinpality of Leuchtenberg. When Josephine was sixteen only years old, she was made crown princess of Sweden, when she became the wife of then 24-year-old Crown prince Oscar. She was considered a very suitable wife for the young Crown prince. Even if Napoleon never was to come back to power again, he had been the emperor of France, and King Charles John and Queen Desideria, the crown prince's parents, were connected to the Bonaparte family. After all, the queen's sister Julie was married to Napoleon's brother Joseph, and the queen had herself been engaged to Napoleon before she was dumped for Josephine de Beauharnais. It's funny really, that Queen Desideria could stand having her rival's granddaughter as a daughter-in-law, but Desideria (or Desirée as she would have been prefered to be called) was such a French patriot and loved everything about France, while she hated Sweden and everything Swedish, and Josephine was almost French too, and they both kept their Catholic faith in a very Lutheran 19th century Sweden. But through her mother Augusta of Bavaria, Josephine was also an ancestor to the Swedish kings Gustav Vasa and Charles IX, and since the Bernadottes were very new royals in Sweden (Charles John and Desirée were the first king and queen of this house), having a crown princess with even the least Swedish blood was desirable. Since Josephine was so young, it was understood, that Oscar wouldn't be allowed to actually have sex with her before she turned eighteen. But after that, the crown princely couple had five children: Prince Carl, Prince Gustav, Prince Oscar, Princess Eugenie and Prince August. But Crown prince Oscar had always been fond of "having fun", and he even had two sons with actress Emily Högquist even though he was married to Crown princess Josephine. Oscar's father, King Charles XIV John, who by the way was the first of the Bernadotte kings of Sweden, was furious with his son's behavior and that he could cheat on his wife so openly. I don't know what Queen Desideria, Oscar's mother, thought about this, but she probably didn't like it either. No matter the case, these two boys became the last acknowledged illegimate royal children in Sweden. Soon after their birth, King Charles John died, and Oscar became King Oskar I, and Josephine became Queen Josefina. Both Desideria and Josefina were allowed to keep their Catholic faith, even though their husbands converted to the Lutheran state church of Sweden, and especially Josefina had to face a lot of criticism for this. Josefina died as a Queen dovager in 1876, and by then, she had seen two of her sons (Charles XV and Oscar II) as kings of Sweden.
http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/2573/1a5hn.jpg Jean Baptiste Bernadotte, king of Sweden under the name Karl XIV Johan (Charles XIV John).
http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/2136/1b3kn.jpg Desirée Clary, Queen Desideria of Sweden.
http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/894/2a1bx.jpg Oscar I, their only child, king of Sweden.
http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/1696/2b9sg.jpg Josephine of Leuchtenberg, Queen Josefina of Sweden.

Louise of the Netherlands (born in 1828) was married to King Charles XV (born in 1826), who was the eldest son of Oscar I and Josephine of Leuchtenberg. Charles, or Carl as we call him in Sweden, was very alike his father, and he clearly cheated on his wife too. Louise was considered ugly, and she couldn't really attract Charles, who only had married her because of politics. In 1851, they had a daughter, who was named Louise after her mother. Some years later, a son was born and named after his father. But the little Prince Carl died as a two-year-old, leaving Princess Louise as the couple's only child. Crown princess Louise was also found to not be able to give birth to any more babies, and she even suggested to her husband that he would divorce her. But even though Charles wasn't attracted to his wife, he had somehow grown attached to her, and he wouldn't divorce her. So Louise had to continue fighting for being the only woman in her husband's life, which I wonder if she ever managed to do. In 1858, King Oscar I died from a brain tumor, and Charles and Louise became king and queen. They had no more children, and to make it even worse for them, the king's brother Prince Oscar and his wife Sophia of Nassau rapidly had no less than four sons. This meant, that Princess Louise as a female couldn't compete with her male relatives and came further and further from inheriting the Swedish thrown. Instead, she was married to the Danish prince Frederic, and she eventually became queen of Denmark as the wife of King Frederic VIII. Queen Louise and King Charles both died in the early 1870s, and Prince Oscar and Princess Sophie, became king and queen.

http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/1182/3a9vr.jpg King Charles (Karl) XV.
http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/9059/3b5gd.jpg Louise of the Netherlands, his queen.
http://img434.imageshack.us/img434/8502/4a3rn.jpg Queen Louise with her daughter Princess Louise.
http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/1844/3c9kd.jpg King Oscar II.
http://img449.imageshack.us/img449/13/3d2tq.jpg Sophie of Nassau, his queen.
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Queens of Sweden

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Are you sure Desiree was that anti-Swedish? I read she was not fond of cold weather.
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I don't recall seeing anything about Edward VII. He was in mischief from his college days. He had numerous affairs, most notably with the noted actress Lilly Langtry and Alice Keppel, great-grandmother of the present Duchess of Cornwall.

I couldn't find a good pic of Alice Keppel, but there is a good one of Lilly Langtry at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/paintin..._poynter.shtml

Likewise Napoleon III played around with Cora Pearl and the Contessa Castiglione and presumably others. There is a story that his beautiful empress and her ladies were on a train and the door to the bedroom opened revealing Napoleon III in bed with another woman. I guess rail cars were bumpy enough to jar loose doors back then. Eugenie said nothing.

Cora Pearl's pic can be seen at:
http://www.theconnection.org/photoga.../images/11.jpg

and Contessa Castiglione's picture is at:
http://wilnitsky.at/scripts/redgalle...tails?No=26427

When you think of it, Princess Alexandra, Empress Eugenie, and Empress Elisabeth had it all, including looks, but it didn't buy hapiness.
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Are you sure Desiree was that anti-Swedish? I read she was not fond of cold weather.
Desirée was defineately pro-French, and she loved her France more than any other country. She hated having to live in Sweden, which she called "the land of the wolves", and she absolutely hated the chill. She had thought, that she wouldn't have to live there. She had been princess before, but she hadn't had to leave France to get her princinpalities. She also hated how the gentlemen in Sweden only cared about politics and how the ladies only cared about etiquettes, and she hated both politics and etiquettes. So she ended up leaving her husband and her son in Sweden and went back to Paris. She came back to Sweden many years later, and after that, she never made it to France again. After having been away from her husband for so long, their marriage wasn't as good as it could have been. The funny thing is that the sources can't agree on whether Jean Baptiste cheated on his wife or not. Some say he did, some say he didn't. I also seem to remember hearing about Desirée having a lover or at least an admiror in Paris, but I might be wrong.

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I don't recall seeing anything about Edward VII. He was in mischief from his college days. He had numerous affairs, most notably with the noted actress Lilly Langtry and Alice Keppel, great-grandmother of the present Duchess of Cornwall.
I mentioned Alexandra of Denmark as a queen, whose husband the king cheated on her. Poor her! Queen Victoria also hated her son's behavior. Alexandra was the sister-in-law of Louise of Sweden, the queen of Denmark, whose parents were Carl XV and Louise of the Netherlands. She was the sister of the danish king Frederik VIII, Louise's husband. Another sister, Dagmar, was the empress of Russia.
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Those are good pictures. Some of the ladies look so severe in their faces. I wonder why they seem to have wanted to have a picture that way

"...Even if Napoleon never was to come back to power again, he had been the emperor of France, and King Charles John and Queen Desideria, the crown prince's parents, were connected to the Bonaparte family. After all, the queen's sister Julie was married to Napoleon's brother Joseph, and the queen had herself been engaged to Napoleon before she was dumped for Josephine de Beauharnais. It's funny really, that Queen Desideria could stand having her rival's granddaughter as a daughter-in-law..."

So, Napoleon Bonaparte was due to marry a different Josephine (a queen) before he met with Josephine de Beauharnais? And he dumped a queen for this other woman?

I'm sure the queen would have been miffed to be upstaged by a commoner, right? Or maybe she felt lucky not to have been with Napoleon after all?:p :)

Didn't Napoleon cheat on his wife alot too?
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Queen Desirée had been Napoleon's fiancé, not Queen Josephine. Josephine of Leuchtenberg was his stepson's daughter. The two Josephines were grandmother and granddaughter.

It does seem like Napeleon and his first wife Josephine cheated on each other, yes. For example, Napoleon had a son in Poland.
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I guess Christian VI of Denmark never had an affair then, especially sequestered away in the castle where he could not get to anyone and nobody could get to him.:p

His wife must've been happy 'locked away' like that, how many children did they have?

Is there any picture of the old crown and the one that she got to replace it?
They had 2 children Louise and Frederik 5. I dont think there is any photoes of the old crown but i might be wrong. :)
The queen was just as piethistic as her husband so i dont think she felt sad.
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Who was George IV? a Prince? Did he then have a happy marriage at all?
He was a king of England. He is one of the most notorius prince of wales.
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It does seem like Napeleon and his first wife Josephine cheated on each other, yes. For example, Napoleon had a son in Poland.
Is that Josephine the one from Martinique?
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