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Old 06-22-2006, 06:14 PM
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Yes, he did. And if he hadn't been a king, he would have been convicted of bigamy. But kings were above the law of course...
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Old 06-22-2006, 08:43 PM
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LOL:p

So, the King Fredrick IV of Denmark actually kept 2 wives and 2 families :p

How did his first wife respond to that?
Was she insulted? What about his court? And his general public?
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Old 06-22-2006, 09:00 PM
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Oh, my God, I'm Swedish, not Danish! But let me check if I can find something. Okay... I guess she was insulted, but many kings and princes cheated on their wives back in the day, so it wasn't unusual for a princess or a queen to share her husband with other women. Examples of queens, who had to share their husbands with mistresses, was the Brittish queen Alexandra of Denmark, the Swedish queens Josephine of Leuchtenberg and Louise of the Netherlands and the French queen Marie Therese of Spain. There wasn't much for a royal woman to do. The royal marriages were just matters of politics, and love was seldom involved at all. And the men wanted to take advantage of their power.
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Old 06-22-2006, 09:20 PM
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Ok, but I wonder now is it true though?

Was it really Fredrick IV of Denmark or someone else?
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Old 06-23-2006, 03:38 AM
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Ok, but I wonder now is it true though?

Was it really Fredrick IV of Denmark or someone else?
Yes it's true. Frederik 4 married his first wife Louise in 1695, and she was his first queen. Then in 1703 he married another woman, Elisabeth Vieregg, to "his left hand", where his queen was married to his right hand. The hand business has something to do with the relation to God, I don't know so much about this. Anyway Elisabeth died in 1704 i childbirth. Then in 1712 Frederik married Anne Sofie Rewentlow, after he "kidnapped" her, again to his left hand. Queen Louise died in 1721, and after that Frederik married Anne Sofie again, this time to his right jand, and made her his queen, and she is the first commoner queen in Denmark, Mary will be the second.

Sorry about this long story, but it is quite fascinating. Apparently Louise was very jealous, and after Frederik died in 1730, Anne Sofie was sent away from court, because Frederik and Louises son, the new king, hated her and what she had done to his mother.
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Old 06-23-2006, 05:09 AM
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King Fredrick IV sponsored kidnapping his mistress and he then married the woman while still married to someone else?

Yikes!

Yes indeed and after his wife queen Louise died he married her :)
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Old 06-23-2006, 10:24 AM
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How did she manipulate him?

And it sounds like it was obvious manipulation to everyone except him, is that right? Did he refuse to listen to anyone?
That is exactly right:)!
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Old 06-23-2006, 10:28 AM
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What about George IV who married a catholic, Mrs. Fitzherbert, in secret and later had to divorce her because his parents the king and queen found out and had already planned an alliance with Caroline of Brunswick?
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Old 06-23-2006, 11:00 AM
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What about George IV who married a catholic, Mrs. Fitzherbert, in secret and later had to divorce her because his parents the king and queen found out and had already planned an alliance with Caroline of Brunswick?
He wouldn't have had to divorce Mrs Fitzherbert because under the Royal Marriages Act such a marriage was neither legal nor recognised, and therefore did not exist.
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Old 06-23-2006, 11:38 AM
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Wow:p :)

thanks for that story Avalon!

Very interesting

But if he was having a generally happy life, why was there plots to kill him? Did his public accept Kate and their children?
Thanks, though now I look back at what I wrote, it seems awfully long and boring. :o
The Russian public at the time (I mean people) would accept anything that the Tzar would tell them to. Yes, they accepted Kate, and so did the court. Alexander was not killed because of his private life. It was the political situation. I am not quite sure how to expalin that, simply because I don't understand it. Even the terrorists had to admit that there was nothing wrong about the Tzar, that he was a good man and did a lot of good things for the country. The only think they had against him was that he was a Tzar and therefore had to die. It was more of an anti-monarchist movement.
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Old 06-23-2006, 12:16 PM
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Then in 1712 Frederik married Anne Sofie Rewentlow, after he "kidnapped" her, again to his left hand. Queen Louise died in 1721, and after that Frederik married Anne Sofie again, this time to his right jand, and made her his queen, and she is the first commoner queen in Denmark, Mary will be the second.
I thought the Rewentlow were counts in Denmark. Not exactly royal but not exactly commoner either.
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Old 06-23-2006, 12:55 PM
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I thought the Rewentlow were counts in Denmark. Not exactly royal but not exactly commoner either.
You are absolutely right, but it was not at all acceptable for the king to marry women below the stand of princesses and duchess.
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Yes it's true. Frederik 4 married his first wife Louise in 1695, and she was his first queen. Then in 1703 he married another woman, Elisabeth Vieregg, to "his left hand", where his queen was married to his right hand. The hand business has something to do with the relation to God, I don't know so much about this. Anyway Elisabeth died in 1704 i childbirth. Then in 1712 Frederik married Anne Sofie Rewentlow, after he "kidnapped" her, again to his left hand. Queen Louise died in 1721, and after that Frederik married Anne Sofie again, this time to his right jand, and made her his queen, and she is the first commoner queen in Denmark, Mary will be the second.

Sorry about this long story, but it is quite fascinating. Apparently Louise was very jealous, and after Frederik died in 1730, Anne Sofie was sent away from court, because Frederik and Louises son, the new king, hated her and what she had done to his mother.
Oh my. Yes

I have to agree that is certainly some kind of story! So I guess the new King never had an affair after all that?

What was his name and who did he marry? Was his marriage a happy one?
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What about George IV who married a catholic, Mrs. Fitzherbert, in secret and later had to divorce her because his parents the king and queen found out and had already planned an alliance with Caroline of Brunswick?
Who was George IV? a Prince? Did he then have a happy marriage at all?
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That is exactly right:)!
thanks Kelly. OK, does anyone have more details on this story about Lola Montes and how she manipulated a King and embarrased him in public?

Did she make a spell on him when he saw her dance or something?
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Peter the Great and Anne Mons

Peter the Great is Peter I of Russia; he is responsible for transferring old-fashioned and a bit barbaric Russia into a more or less European country. He also literally built Petersburg (now Saint Petersburg), which was/is called "window to Europe". Anne Mons was the daughter of a vintner. She was initially the mistress of Peter's friend, Frantz Lafort, who introduced her to King. Peter fall in love with her and their affair continued for 10 years. The King was already thinking of making Anne his Queen, but then it turned out she was not exactly "his" Anne but had been betraying him with a German merchant, with whom she even had a daughter. Peter imprisoned Anne but very soon (in a few days) forgave her and even asked to come back to him but Anne (!) proclaimed her intention to marry to the Prussian Ambassador. She was not happy with him, he died early and she lived her life in misery. But the story goes on. Soon Peter fall in love and married Catherine Trubacheva. The Emperor introduced her as the Empress of Russian Empire but a year later he got a report that Catherine was betraying him with Wilhelm Mons (Anne Mons's brother). Mons was imprisoned but he did not tell a word about his connection with Catherine (he was not tortured). Nevertheless he was executed. The court insisted on Catherine's execution as well but Peter knew better. Catherine was the Empress of Russia and mother of his children. He forgave her. Catherine succeeded throne after him as Catherine I (not their daughter but her).

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So Anne Mons lived a miserable life after all that -- I guess after all, being thrown in jail would have made me miserable too! What happened to her in the end?

And what about Peter? Was he ever able to find any relief from women who always would cheat on him?

I mean, not by putting them in prison?
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Old 06-23-2006, 07:35 PM
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Who was George IV? a Prince? Did he then have a happy marriage at all?
He was a king of Britain, actually. He was the son of king George III and was the prince regent during his father's illness. His marriage with Caroline was always unhappy. They had a daughter, but after that, they separated. When George became king after his father's death, he didn't want to acknowledge Caroline as queen, but he was unable to divorce her. Their daughter Charlotte Augusta died when she was only twentyone years old, but she still seems to have been married to the king Leopold I of the Belgians, so she must have been married off at a young age or not too long before her death.
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OK, so George IV never had a happy marriage either...

Did his wife take on others too, since she was probably unhappy with him? I imagine she would have been insulted being married to someone who did not want to acknowledge her.

Did George IV have other mistresses?

And the name Mrs. Fitzherbert, I imagine his family must have hit the roof for him marrying a married woman!

What happened to her in the end?

Did she go back to her husband?
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Any one know about the King of Poland and Saxony?

Wasn't his daughter was married off to a French King or something like that?
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Old 06-23-2006, 11:17 PM
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Oh my. Yes

I have to agree that is certainly some kind of story! So I guess the new King never had an affair after all that?

What was his name and who did he marry? Was his marriage a happy one?
Teh next king was Christian 6. and he was married ti Sophie Magdalene of Saxen-Hildeburghausen. They were wery pietistic and banned all theater in Denmark.
They were not wery liked by the ppl because they stayed at the castle all the time. When they were crowned the queen got a new crown because she didnt wanted to wear the one Anna Sophie Rewentlow had worn.
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