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Doesn't there have to be a second before a monarch is called the first? For instance Queen Victoria of GB has no regnal number because we have yet to have a Victoria II.
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Doesn't there have to be a second before a monarch is called the first? For instance Queen Victoria of GB has no regnal number because we have yet to have a Victoria II.
Not in all countries.For example King Baudouin I. and King Juan Carlos I. use/used the ordinal but they where the first monarch of this name.
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^actually it is intereting. maybe Leonor II. (not that it really matters, but Queen Elizabeth is II, even though Queen Elizabeth I was monarch to diferent territories ''England and Ireland'', while QEII is of United Kingdom and Commonwealth Realms)
Isn't Queen Elizabeth called Elizabeth I in Scotland?
I remember reading something about this somewhere on the forum.
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I guess there is a possibility that she takes Leonor II as her Queen´s name, but tradictionally, Spanish Kings after the unification have taken their ordinals after the Kings of Castile, nor Aragon nor Navarre. I guess it would have been quite a mess otherwise

Taken by example King Fernando, the Catholic, he was Fernando II of Aragon and Fernando V of Castile (and Fernando III of Sicile, btw), the next King of Spain called Fernando was Fernando VI, after the Castillian ordinal of his predecessor.
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Leonor II is what I was thinking but her accession is many moons away and I might not be around to see it
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Maybe Letitzia will get pregnant and have a boy Isn't the boy that will be heir then?
(I don't really expect she will, but who know )
Then if W&K have a son, there will be 3 boys vs 4 girls :) And if Guillaume and Stephanie have a son and Albert é Charlene too, boys will lead
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Eleanor of Aquitaine was a formidable woman. That could be an option.
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Maybe Letitzia will get pregnant and have a boy Isn't the boy that will be heir then?
(I don't really expect she will, but who know )
Then if W&K have a son, there will be 3 boys vs 4 girls :) And if Guillaume and Stephanie have a son and Albert é Charlene too, boys will lead
Anything is possible but if Letizia did have a boy it might re-open the male preference primogeniture debate!
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It will be interesting to see what Regnal name Leonor of Spain will take,will she be Leonor/Eleanor I or II,as Navarre already had a Leonor/Eleanor I .

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That's an interesting question. Personally, I'm pretty certain she will be Leonor II.

Previous Spanish precedences suggest they follow the British example (or, to be more precise, the British followed the Spanish example) of using the highest ordinal available. For instance, when Ferdinand - the son of Philip V and Maria Louisa of Savoy - became King of Spain, he reigned as Ferdinand VI, and not Ferdinand I. Up to that point, there hadn't been a Monarch named Ferdinand in Spain, although there had been five in Castile.

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^actually it is intereting. maybe Leonor II. (not that it really matters, but Queen Elizabeth is II, even though Queen Elizabeth I was monarch to diferent territories ''England and Ireland'', while QEII is of United Kingdom and Commonwealth Realms)
When the Act of Union 1707 was signed, it was agreed that all future Monarchs in Great Britain (later, the British Empire and the United Kingdom) will have the highest available regnal number. The question didn't really arise until the reign of Elizabeth II because because while there had been an Elizabeth I in England, there had never been one in Scotland (or in any of the Realms). It was then again agreed that all subsequent Monarchs will have the highest ordinal number available. Among other things that means that if there is ever a sovereign named, say, Margaret, Robert, Alexander, David, or Malcolm, they will be respectively Margaret II, Robert IV, Alexander IV, David II and Malcolm V - despite England never having Monarchs with those regnal names (on the other hand, Scotland did).

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Doesn't there have to be a second before a monarch is called the first? For instance Queen Victoria of GB has no regnal number because we have yet to have a Victoria II.
Not in all countries but in the UK (and its predeceasing states) that appears to be the case. All the Monarchs who were the first to reign under a given name where just known as King/Queen Name until a subsequent Monarch with the same name ascended to the Throne.
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Here is a nice photo of all the future european monarchs. Can't wait until William and Catherine, and Guilluame and Stephanie's children will be added!
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Thanks for the montage!
Well ... it looks like future King of Denmark will have mostly female counterparts. Hopefully one or two boys will be added to the list.
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Here is a nice photo of all the future european monarchs. Can't wait until William and Catherine, and Guilluame and Stephanie's children will be added!
That's a great collage! Maybe there will also be a child for Albert and Charlene, to complete a third row
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I know this may not happen but I would really love if Ingrid Alexandra chooses "Queen Margaret II" as her regnal name when she is queen. I also would love if Estelle chooses "Queen Victoria II" as a regnal name!
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I know this may not happen but I would really love if Ingrid Alexandra chooses "Queen Margaret II" as her regnal name when she is queen. I also would love if Estelle chooses "Queen Victoria II" as a regnal name!
Why on earth should either girl choose a name that neither have as their given names??? If the only reason is to have a queen with a ordinal number, why not hope for Catharina-Amalia to choose Beatrix as her regnal name, she is at least baptized to Beatrix?
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I know this may not happen but I would really love if Ingrid Alexandra chooses "Queen Margaret II" as her regnal name when she is queen. I also would love if Estelle chooses "Queen Victoria II" as a regnal name!
She may not be Margaret II, cos Maraget I was never Queen of Norway, even though it was a Union..Just my guess..
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She may not be Margaret II, cos Maraget I was never Queen of Norway, even though it was a Union..Just my guess..
She was queen consort of Norway, as well as regent of Norway after the death of her only son, as well as regent of Denmark and Sweden, so she was as much queen of Norway as she was queen of Denmark and queen of Sweden, or as little if you don't want to count a regent as a monarch. The union between Denmark and Norway came through the son of Margareta, as he was heir to both his father and his maternal grandfather. Margaret I of Denmark - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Why would Ingrid choose Margaret when she have two good and very regnal names of her own? I could understand if Estelle might opt for the slightly more regnal Mary since that's one of her names, but I strongly doubt even that.
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I know this may not happen but I would really love if Ingrid Alexandra chooses "Queen Margaret II" as her regnal name when she is queen. I also would love if Estelle chooses "Queen Victoria II" as a regnal name!
Why exactly? Makes very little sense. Do those countries even choose 'regal names'?
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I know this may not happen but I would really love if Ingrid Alexandra chooses "Queen Margaret II" as her regnal name when she is queen. I also would love if Estelle chooses "Queen Victoria II" as a regnal name!
Ingrid is I believe of old norse origin,there was a 12th century Queen Consort of Norway called Ingrid Ragnvaldsdotter,there was also of more recent memory, Ingrid of Sweden,Queen Consort of Denmark so the name is fine with me.
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I know this may not happen but I would really love if Ingrid Alexandra chooses "Queen Margaret II" as her regnal name when she is queen. I also would love if Estelle chooses "Queen Victoria II" as a regnal name!
Why would Princess Estelle be called Victoria? Queen Estelle would be a very beautiful name. Desiree was at one time (and not that long ago) not a royal name in Sweden but is considered it today. New names are introduced and old ones left behind. Estelle is a very beautiful name and I am sure she will use it proudly and one day be Queen Estelle.
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