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Old 08-29-2015, 06:03 AM
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Education Of A New Prince

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My name is Freï von Fräähsen zu Lorenzburg an artist who decided, as a preliminary PHD research project, to change career mid-life. Since I have always liked to work with people I decided to learn the Princely Profession (if one can call it that) in order to better serve the 1600 souls and 11 square kilometers of land that I am the steward of.

In this project I start a small nation in my childhood neighborhoods and I am genuinely interested in what advice you could give to someone who would (hypothetically) learn the tricks and trade of being a Sovereign of an independent Principality. In my investigations (setting aside matters of historically legitimizing a princely title) I wonder if one can learn being a Prince, just like learning any other trade. So please, if you would be so kind, how would one begin to learn the art and craft of being a Prince?

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Welcome, Serene Highness. This is a very interesting concept! I do think that you can learn the craft of being a Prince.

I think first and foremost such a Prince would have to decide how they were going to govern their people. Would you, for instance, govern as an autocracy, perhaps have an appointed advisory council, with the Prince at its head, or allow a form of election for these advisers? These are fundamental questions and maybe a study of how Rainier used to govern Monaco and how Albert rules now might be useful.
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Dear Curryong, thank you for your kind reply.

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Welcome, Serene Highness. This is a very interesting concept! I do think that you can learn the craft of being a Prince.

I think first and foremost such a Prince would have to decide how they were going to govern their people. Would you, for instance, govern as an autocracy, perhaps have an appointed advisory council, with the Prince at its head, or allow a form of election for these advisers? These are fundamental questions and maybe a study of how Rainier used to govern Monaco and how Albert rules now might be useful.
At the moment I tend to think of being a Prince as being a figurehead and a spearhead for my people. I was rather inspired by Michel Ende's "Neverending Story", wherein the child empress reigns but doesn't rule. Also being a constitutional monarchy my Principality is founded on democratic principles and the principles of the universal human rights document.

I tend to think of (in this specific case) the Prince as something like a magic lantern: the nation is generated within the Prince and projected outwards into the world, as an invitation to inhabit, and participate in, the nation.

I will investigate the Monaco/Prince Albert case, thank you.
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I am a bit at loss what the point of this project is and how TRF can be of service. This forum focusses on existing or formerly existing monarchies. Art projects or fantasy is not something that we specialise in, neither is it likely that the scope of this forum will include such topics in the near future.
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Old 08-30-2015, 06:27 AM
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Thank you for your comment Marengo

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I am a bit at loss what the point of this project is and how TRF can be of service. This forum focusses on existing or formerly existing monarchies. Art projects or fantasy is not something that we specialise in, neither is it likely that the scope of this forum will include such topics in the near future.
Thank you for your comment. It is not a joke it is a serious question and at the moment I would like to focus more on the question than on the art project: How should one go about if one were to learn the "profession" of being a Prince. What skills, tools and knowledge would one need.
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Well, the first and most important thing you need to learn is that it's not about you. You are there for your "subjects" not the other way around.
If you are not relevant to "your people", nothing else matters.

You can have impeccable manners, dress and act the part - or be as artistic as you like - it's nothing if you are irrelevant.
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Most Princes who are going to be rulers (or who are going to reign in a Parliamentary democracy as a monarch) learn by experience, by observing how their father, grandfather or uncle approached the job.

For the tiny principality you propose I would seek out words of wisdom in biographies and interviews by the rulers and immediate past rulers of such small states as Lechtenstein, Monaco, and Luxembourg. See how they tackled the job of being a ruler Prince, what problems they encountered, how they learned to take the helm and at what age. Take a look at how these states are ruled, the demeanour of the rulers and you should get some ideas.
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Well, the first and most important thing you need to learn is that it's not about you. You are there for your "subjects" not the other way around.
If you are not relevant to "your people", nothing else matters.

You can have impeccable manners, dress and act the part - or be as artistic as you like - it's nothing if you are irrelevant.
Thank you for your kind reply. I absolutely agree it is the people who "creates" the Prince. Much, I'm thinking, along the lines of Sociologist Bourdieu's concept of "social magic". However as continuation of this topic, in what ways would one best serve the people? Is one allowed to have opinions publically or should one always remain silent on social/ political issues? Also, out of curiosity, what would you say is proper manners and dress etc for a contemporary Prince? Thank you for your instruction
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Most Princes who are going to be rulers (or who are going to reign in a Parliamentary democracy as a monarch) learn by experience, by observing how their father, grandfather or uncle approached the job.

For the tiny principality you propose I would seek out words of wisdom in biographies and interviews by the rulers and immediate past rulers of such small states as Lechtenstein, Monaco, and Luxembourg. See how they tackled the job of being a ruler Prince, what problems they encountered, how they learned to take the helm and at what age. Take a look at how these states are ruled, the demeanour of the rulers and you should get some ideas.
Would you have some advice on literature, except for the classics (the Prince, the book of the courtier, and various texts by Rousseau) suitable for educating Princes? Thank you
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Thank you for your kind reply. I absolutely agree it is the people who "creates" the Prince. Much, I'm thinking, along the lines of Sociologist Bourdieu's concept of "social magic". However as continuation of this topic, in what ways would one best serve the people? Is one allowed to have opinions publically or should one always remain silent on social/ political issues? Also, out of curiosity, what would you say is proper manners and dress etc for a contemporary Prince? Thank you for your instruction
That's for you to work out.

In this little thought experiment you are king Ralph, or rather prince Ralph, who have suddenly inherited a principality.
It's "your people", "your principality". You will to work out what matters to them, what you can do for them, how you can make them accept you - and do that for the rest of your life, because there is no opting out. You accepted the scepter, well, you've got it!
You are the first of your dynasty, if you screw up or don't do your job well or simply is not committed enough, you'll be remembered as the last of your dynasty as well.

Manners, dressing up, make speeches and so on that's merely acting the prince. You are going to be the prince.

Does it sound confusing? Daunting? Bewildering? Frightening? Like you are left on your own? - Good, then you are beginning to understand what being a prince and heading a dynasty is really about. - And what it means to marry into a royal family and creating a role for yourself.
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The future Queen of the Netherlands simply went to the village school in Wassenaar and now simply goes to a gymnasium close to her parents' future residence in The Hague. Both schools are -as any other school in the Netherlands- accessible for anyone who wants to study there. No special "Princess Schools" or whatever. Since you have no prospect on ruling a territory whose taxpayers will fund your lifestyle, I recommend you to choose an education which will be helpful on the job market.

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That's for you to work out.

In this little thought experiment you are king Ralph, or rather prince Ralph, who have suddenly inherited a principality.
It's "your people", "your principality". You will to work out what matters to them, what you can do for them, how you can make them accept you - and do that for the rest of your life, because there is no opting out. You accepted the scepter, well, you've got it!
You are the first of your dynasty, if you screw up or don't do your job well or simply is not committed enough, you'll be remembered as the last of your dynasty as well.

Manners, dressing up, make speeches and so on that's merely acting the prince. You are going to be the prince.

Does it sound confusing? Daunting? Bewildering? Frightening? Like you are left on your own? - Good, then you are beginning to understand what being a prince and heading a dynasty is really about. - And what it means to marry into a royal family and creating a role for yourself.
Thank you again for your helpfulness. I rather delight in thought experiments and the whole point of this project is just that: can one learn to be a prince as a profession. In our thought experiment, and in the project, I actually have 1600 people who want me as their Prince. Now remains a good Princely education so as not to let them down

You are right, I'm not at all interested in just acting the part, and so I have to treat this new vocation as something deeply serious. Having studied some texts by the sociologist Bourdieu and his concept of "habitus" I am aware that there, apart from a cultural capital (education, manners, etc) also a component related to social class and how one's biology and instincts are shaped by this. For example as a middle class person I may blush in situations where someone born to a royal position wouldn't. I guess this is an example of "my fair lady": will dress, manners and the company one keeps eventually work outside-in to cause deep changes within the newly created Prince?

Of course, since I have the blessing of the residents in the area, I am now somewhat accustomed to being treated as "Your Serene Highness" but, as you say, if I was only in it to be treated to fancy styles I would tire very quickly. So I am initiating a program for Urban Agriculture, growing food in the residential area and in the woodlands within the principality's borders, and I am also trying to find other ways to truly make some kind of difference.

Thank you for bearing with me in this game of "as-if".
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The future Queen of the Netherlands simply went to the village school in Wassenaar and now simply goes to a gymnasium close to her parents' future residence in The Hague. Both schools are -as any other school in the Netherlands- accessible for anyone who wants to study there. No special "Princess Schools" or whatever. Since you have no prospect on ruling a territory whose taxpayers will fund your lifestyle, I recommend you to choose an education which will be helpful on the job market.

Thank you fro your kind advice and for the information. Unfortunately there are very few vacant positions for unemployed Princes I'll have to do my best to keep myself busy without the help of job agents :)
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Thank you again for your helpfulness. I rather delight in thought experiments and the whole point of this project is just that: can one learn to be a prince as a profession. In our thought experiment, and in the project, I actually have 1600 people who want me as their Prince. Now remains a good Princely education so as not to let them down

You are right, I'm not at all interested in just acting the part, and so I have to treat this new vocation as something deeply serious. Having studied some texts by the sociologist Bourdieu and his concept of "habitus" I am aware that there, apart from a cultural capital (education, manners, etc) also a component related to social class and how one's biology and instincts are shaped by this. For example as a middle class person I may blush in situations where someone born to a royal position wouldn't. I guess this is an example of "my fair lady": will dress, manners and the company one keeps eventually work outside-in to cause deep changes within the newly created Prince?

Of course, since I have the blessing of the residents in the area, I am now somewhat accustomed to being treated as "Your Serene Highness" but, as you say, if I was only in it to be treated to fancy styles I would tire very quickly. So I am initiating a program for Urban Agriculture, growing food in the residential area and in the woodlands within the principality's borders, and I am also trying to find other ways to truly make some kind of difference.

Thank you for bearing with me in this game of "as-if".
You are welcome.

Well, etiquette, manners and local history can be taught at courses, so that's going to be the easy bit. It's merely a question of developing new habits.

However, you can throw away your books about psychology, sociology and what not. That's theoretical mumbo-jumbo and of no use here.
You, like all other royals (and nobles beforehand), will have to grow into the role. I'd say the only way to make it in a job that requires extensive people skills and delicate leadership skills is to become a leader. That's why most leadership courses IMO are crap. They only teach how to act and talk the role. Your "subjects" will have to get to know you, respect you, trust you, like you, have confidence in you and first and foremost believe you are sincere or genuine if you like.

As there are no schools for princes the best way to approach it would be to study the professionals. Those who succeeded and especially those who failed.
So you are going to do a lot of reading but not in books. Rather in places like this.
Where you will learn why they succeeded or failed, what they did right or wrong, why people trust or like some and dislike and mistrust others. When did some shine and when did others flop.

And even when studying those who have made it, you'll learn it hasn't been easy. That they've had to work hard and that still they don't always have an easy time.
You should also study why some who are seemingly perfectly educated, hard working and well-prepared for the job and who do act the role, don't make it.

- Your thread is interesting. Because it is an interesting fact that some (especially royals who have married into the royal families) have become so popular and convincing, while others don't.

If we take the DRF as an example:
We have Prince Henrik, who despite being hardworking has only recently been accepted but most of his time in DK was not particular popular and mostly tolerated rather than liked. Why?
Why has Crown Princess Mary become such a success? Why is she so convincing as a royal?
Why has Prince Joachim never become popular, despite being very intelligent, looking very much the part, being very well-prepared and very hard-working?
While his older brother who at various times has been critizised for lacking one or all of the above is popular and folksy?
How did Crown Prince Frederik grow into his role?
How did Queen Margrethe become so tremendously respected, despite not being the least bit folksy, despite being shy and awkward, despite being pretty elitist?

So happy reading.
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The current heirs and newly reigning monarchs are all pretty well educated. As well as receiving military and further political training.

for the current heirs of newer monarchs:
-Victoria: 2 years at Brown and is said to have finished hers at Upsala. She has taken a wide range of training courses as well, including army. A few would be the diplomat training program with the department of foreign affairs and was an intern at the embassy in DC.
-Frederik has a masters in political science, as well as his military training. He worked posts at the Danish embassy in Paris, and the Danish UN mission in NY.
-Haakon has a bachelors from Berkley and masters from the London school of business. He also under went officer training in the navy and served active duty for a year of boats.
-Willem-Alexander holds a masters in history from Leiden (all of Bea's sons were/are well educated, preparing the younger sons for a private career). He served in the royal navy.
-Philippea attended Oxford and later got his masters at Stanford in political science. He is a trained fighter pilot and parachute with Belgian army.
-Felipe has a law degree from Madrid, and a masters in PS from Georgetown.He has trained with the navy, army and airforce.
-Guillaume has a degree in political science from Angers, and studied at the military academy at Sandhurst.
-Alois has a law degree as well as attending Sandhurst. His son Joseph has graduated from Malvern college
-Pavlos graduated from Sandhurst and later with a masters in foreign affairs from Georgetown
-Prince Charles graduated from Cambridge, and William from St Andrews.

Of course there is a lot of training outside of the classroom, on their duties and future roles.

I always liked how the Dutch seem to really encourage younger siblings to get a good education and future career outside of royal life.

Outside of Europe, it is amazing how well-educated many senior royals are.
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That would depend on the royal - their future role and their own interests.

They would be expected to complete the normal school course within their own countries but anything beyond that would be personal.
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Muhler, going back to the Danish royals for a minute as per your post -- Margrethe has been on the Danish throne for a long time and has been dutiful and patriotic hasn't she? People do tend to respect those qualities and long reigns. Perhaps Danish people sensed in Prince Henrik right from the beginning a certain self-importance as well as flamboyance and eccentricity, and just didn't respond well to it.

As for Joachim, I have no explanation for why he and Marie are quite disliked. An overly-serious manner (Joachim) interpreted as stodginess, lingering feelings about the ending of the marriage to the very popular Alexandra, resentments about appanages/money?

Sometimes people just spark with the public and it's unexplainable. Perhaps Mary was regarded as a novelty and she built on that. She does get out there and perform her Royal engagements with enthusiasm, and the fact that Mary's had to learn everything from scratch, including a quite difficult language, may have made the Danish public more tolerant and protective of her, perhaps.

As for Frederik, sometimes the public just responds better to a more freewheeling and informal personality, (look at Harry!) which is how Frederik appears to me, a foreigner, at least. He's a good looking man and perhaps some of those 'Prince Charming' qualities have lasted among the public, as well as the genuine fondness people usually have for the heir to the throne, unless he/she's blotted their copybook in some way. Anyway, just my thoughts.
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