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Old 09-04-2011, 12:27 PM
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But since her mother was Brazilian, and she did live in Brazil as a child, it's not hard to imagine, that she's "half Catholic". But if you say that's not the case, I believe you.
As per Wikipedia Alice Sommerlath father was a descendant of Afonso III of Portugal,so she might well have some Roman Catholic blood.
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No,not necessarily so.They can opt for the children to choose themselves once they grow older.A wise thing.Or,they can have the baptisms performed by both a minister and a priest,as has happened here as we have several of our protestant House who married Catholics.But then we here are advanced in the way we experience Faith and put it into practice.It is increasingly of this day and age,instead of medieval times
Yes, they must. You can read it in the Catechism
No they must NOT. Lucien is right! The catechism has been changed and adapted many times, the last time in 1992. The rule that they must raise their children catholic only applies in theory. The catholic church can not force all of their members to raise their children catholic, they have simply not the power nor the legal rights to do so. Times most definitely have changed.
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Old 09-04-2011, 06:43 PM
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As per Wikipedia Alice Sommerlath father was a descendant of Afonso III of Portugal,so she might well have some Roman Catholic blood.
So our first commoner queen for four hundred years has some royal blood after all?
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Old 09-04-2011, 07:22 PM
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yes of course Queen Silvia has some royal blood. It is a well known-fact in Austria and Germany, though apparently not in Sweden.
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But since her mother was Brazilian, and she did live in Brazil as a child, it's not hard to imagine, that she's "half Catholic". But if you say that's not the case, I believe you.
That she was familiar with the Catholic church and its rituals doesn't make a person "half Catholic" if there is such a thing, it's whether she has been baptized and brought up in the Catholic or Lutheran faith.

If she had been a Catholic there wouldn't have been any reason for her to change her faith, as Sweden have already had two Catholic Bernadotte queens, Desire and Josphine, and one queen of the Dutch Reformed Church, Louise. The only persons who have to be of Lutheran faith in the royal family is the monarch and his/her heirs.
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So our first commoner queen for four hundred years has some royal blood after all?
Yes but it came via the King's mistress, Maria Peres de Enxara.

Queen Silvia's mother was born Alice Soares de Toledo,you can read more here.

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Old 09-05-2011, 12:24 PM
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That she was familiar with the Catholic church and its rituals doesn't make a person "half Catholic" if there is such a thing, it's whether she has been baptized and brought up in the Catholic or Lutheran faith.

If she had been a Catholic there wouldn't have been any reason for her to change her faith, as Sweden have already had two Catholic Bernadotte queens, Desire and Josphine, and one queen of the Dutch Reformed Church, Louise. The only persons who have to be of Lutheran faith in the royal family is the monarch and his/her heirs.
But haven't many people been raised into two different religious traditions, because their parents come from two different faiths? It's not so hard to imagine, that Silvia and her brothers were more than familiar with the Catholic faith, when their mother was Brazilian and they also lived in Brazil for many years. But if that's totally incorrect, I admit my mistake.

As for whether or not she had to convert, when she became queen of Sweden, maybe she didn't have to. But the historical experience with Desire and Josephine, who both were allowed to keep their Catholic faith, wouldn't have helped at all. From our 21rst century perspective, it seems very good, that they weren't forced to convert. But us having two Catholic queens in a row wasn't all that popular back then. For example, the Norwegian archbishop refused to coronate Josephine because of her Catholic faith. So even if Louise was Reformed rather than Lutheran, she was a Protestant, which was a relief for many people.
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Old 09-05-2011, 12:26 PM
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Yes but it came via the King's mistress, Maria Peres de Enxara.

Queen Silvia's mother was born Alice Soares de Toledo,you can read more here.

Alice Sommerlath - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I see. And it also appears that Alfonso III lived in the 13th century, so the royal ancestry is very distant. It's still cool to find out about this though, because I've never heard about it before.
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But haven't many people been raised into two different religious traditions, because their parents come from two different faiths? It's not so hard to imagine, that Silvia and her brothers were more than familiar with the Catholic faith, when their mother was Brazilian and they also lived in Brazil for many years. But if that's totally incorrect, I admit my mistake.
Just to have two parents with different religious traditions doesn't mean that they are raised into two different faiths, and to be familiar with a different faith doesn't make you "half-x". I would say that whatever faith Siliva have depends on what religion she has been confirmed into, and it's very possible that it was the Lutheran faith as her uncle was a Lutheran theolog.

Even if the Reformed Dutch Church is Protestant, as well as the Anglican Church (crown princess Margareta and probably queen Louise), that doesn't make their beliefs and rituals identical, so having a parent who practised an different Protestant faith would also influence their children when it comes to religious matters.
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or maybe, just maybe she doesn't believe in God at all .... she could very well be an atheist for all we know.
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or maybe, just maybe she doesn't believe in God at all .... she could very well be an atheist for all we know.
Queen Silvia is not an atheist, she has sponsored a prayer book for the Church of Sweden and there is a prayer in it that she wrote when she was eleven years old. And according to this article, Drottningen ger ut bnbok | Kultur | SvD , while her mother was a Catholic, Silvia, her brothers and father was Lutherans.
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well as I said it could be. But if you say she is a Lutheran I believe you ;-)
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Empress Michiko has been widely reported to have been raised Catholic, but this has been hotly contested elsewhere on this forum.
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Empress Michiko has been widely reported to have been raised Catholic, but this has been hotly contested elsewhere on this forum.
I knew she had a Catholic education but I never knew that,must do a bit of research.
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Read recently that Queen Letizia of Spain was baptized Catholic, but had never taken part in the sacraments (1st communion, confirmation, etc.) while growing up. She had to play catch-up before marrying Felipe. She was and still is agnostic - unofficially; this is why her 1st marriage was done civilly, and not religiously also. She basically plays the part of a Catholic since marrying Felipe and becoming part of the SRF. I don't understand why she will not own up to her beliefs, instead of misrepresenting them to the public. If she doesn't believe in a higher power, then that is her right, but lying to the citizens of the country in which she is queen is unacceptable IMO.
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It is most likely because people in Spain still expect their royals to be faithful Catholics, so it seems like Letizia simply had to downplay her agnosticism.
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It is most likely because people in Spain still expect their royals to be faithful Catholics, so it seems like Letizia simply had to downplay her agnosticism.
Really? I hear Spain is in shambles these days...well so is the rest of the world...just sayin.':p
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Exactly. IF Letizia is indeed only going through the motions she is far from alone. She is among the norm, not the exception unfortunately.
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<snip> She was and still is agnostic - unofficially; <snip> If she doesn't believe in a higher power, then that is her right, but lying to the citizens of the country in which she is queen is unacceptable IMO.
The difference between an agnostic and an atheist is that while the atheist denies there is a higher power, the agnostic says that she/he doesn't know if there is a higher power or not. So if Letizia is agnostic it's not as if she's lying, just that she doesn't know if there is a God or not. I would think that she isn't the only royal who doesn't have a personal belief in if there is a god/divine power or not, who go to church and follow the rituals as that's what is expected from them.
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Not attending church does not necessarily make one agnostic, nor does getting married in a civil ceremony. I was baptized catholic but my parents didn't like church so I only went to church with my grandparents, or when a move forced us to attend catholic school. I never had my first communion, confirmation and so on. Didn't mean I didn't believe in God, and in my adult years I have started attending church more often.

Her choice to marry civilly may have been for any number of reasons, including her ex husband and his beliefs.
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