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Old 04-13-2008, 09:51 PM
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I think if Scotland became independent, it would either become a Republic or keep the Queen but as Queen of Scots. (Though I doubt they'd get to strip her of her numeral, assuming she would still be the monarch at the time.)

I think Ireland will be a republic for the foreseeable future.
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Old 04-14-2008, 12:17 AM
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Well the Stuart pretenders would certainly be extremely happy if that happened.
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Old 04-30-2008, 07:47 PM
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Would they? I don't think the legitimate Jacobite heir even claims the throne. It's Franz Herzog in Bayern (Duke Franz of Bavaria). It would be funny if they did, and even funnier if both monarchies were restored (Scotland and Bavaria would have the same king)...

I digress...

What about Canada? I always thought that either Canada and Australia will one day fully abolish the monarchy, or else the UK will first and the Windsors will reign from Ottowa (LOL).
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Old 04-30-2008, 07:50 PM
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I certainly would like to see the Shah's son (Iran) back in power, he and his family want to go back.
I'd rather see the Qajar heirs back on the throne that the Pahlavis usurped. Even though Empress Farah is FABULOUS... ;-)
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Old 04-30-2008, 07:57 PM
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I'd most like to see the following countries/places restore monarchy:

1) Brazil
2) Hawai'i
3) Ryukyu Kingdom
4) Sarawak
5) **Mexico** (I'm on the fence, but the idea is enticing...esp the Aztec royals)
6) Peru (Sapa Inca)
7) Russia (don't ask me which pretender, though...)
8) Portugal
9) Georgia
10) Ethiopia (has previously considered it)

None of these are really "new" royal families, though... the exception being that the House of Kawananakoa has never actually reigned in Hawai'i. They were the designated legal heirs to Queen Lydia Liliuokalani, and are thus called the "House of Kawananakoa-in-waiting".
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Old 04-30-2008, 08:02 PM
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I forgot Albania and Montenegro. Them, too.

Monarchy in the United States would never work. But regional ones might. Hawai'i is the only place where one already exists, per se, although many places and native groups have traditional hereditary nobilities sometimes bordering on monarchy. If the King of Hawai'i, say, had no political power...maybe like the Japanese Emperor, he could be a symbol of state unity and history. (Prince Quentin would be an awesome king, btw)...
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Old 04-30-2008, 11:23 PM
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Would they? I don't think the legitimate Jacobite heir even claims the throne. It's Franz Herzog in Bayern (Duke Franz of Bavaria). It would be funny if they did, and even funnier if both monarchies were restored (Scotland and Bavaria would have the same king)...
Hah, true.. he seems to have quite the sense of humour about the whole thing.

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What about Canada? I always thought that either Canada and Australia will one day fully abolish the monarchy, or else the UK will first and the Windsors will reign from Ottowa (LOL).
Abolishing the monarchy in Canada would be a task of truly epic proportions, due to how difficult it is to amend our Constitution. Quite literally everyone in our provincial, territorial, and federal governments has to agree. Okay, not literally, but near enough as makes no odds. Her Madge--and His, eventually, though may that day be long in coming--is here to stay, and glad I am of it!

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Old 05-01-2008, 12:10 AM
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Quite literally everyone in our provincial, territorial, and federal governments has to agree. Okay, not literally, but near enough as makes no odds.
Indeed. Getting a pro-republic government in all 10 provinces (the territories don't matter) and the federal government won't ever happen, at least not in the current political climate. Even then, I could see a province or two simply refusing just to spite the federal government of the day.
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Old 05-02-2008, 04:53 AM
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Would they? I don't think the legitimate Jacobite heir even claims the throne. It's Franz Herzog in Bayern (Duke Franz of Bavaria). It would be funny if they did, and even funnier if both monarchies were restored (Scotland and Bavaria would have the same king)...
That would not be a problem, apart from the fact that I don't see The Duke of Bavaria move to Scotland. He's an old gentleman living in Nymphenburg Palace in Munich which must be one of the most beautiful palaces in Europe, surrounded by a large park but within the city boundaries. Why should he walk away from his place of home? Bavarians don't tend to do that.

But - Franz is unmarried. His brother Max is his heir. Max only has 4 daughters. So the next heiress would be princess Sophie of Bavaria. But she, alas, is married to the herediary prince of Liechtenstein and her son is the next in line to become reigning prince of Liechtenstein after his grandfather and father. I doubt the Scots want the future reigning prince of Liechtenstein as their future king.

And it is still not clear if Henriette Anne Stuart, ancestor of The Duke of Bavaria did not rightfully renounce her inheritance rights on marrying the brother of the French king Louis XIV.AFAIK she did as this was the custom of the day on dealing with France because noone wanted a French prince on the throne of England and Scotland back then. So even if the Act of Settlement would be declared void, in all probability the descendants of Henriette Anne Stuart, duchess of Orleans had never had a right to the British throne. Including the Duke of Bavaria.

But if Henriette Anne's descendants have no such right, then we end up with her aunt Elizabeth Stuarts, her cousin electress Sophia and Sophia's descendants - ergo HM Elizabeth II and her heir, Charles.
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What if after the American revolution, the citizens of the new country decided to have a monarchy (this didn't happen and never would happen but let's just say that the majority of American decided that they wanted this. Here what I think it might look liked.

The royal family would be democratically elected and their duties would be spelled out in the constitution. They wouldn't be head of government but more of a ceremonial function.

The head of the family would be elected by the American family. If the Congress or the American people didn't think they were doing a good job or felt like they weren't representing the US in a positive way, they would have the right to depose the head of the family and replace them with someone else.

A royal family in the South during the civil war would never be as those in the South don't like to be told what to do especially if it's something that they are opposed to (they wouldn't be in favor of an American royal family) I'm not getting into the politics of this just that royals are used to telling people what to do and expecting them to do what they say would be difficult in the Southern States.
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Old 02-03-2015, 09:49 PM
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I can think of only one royal household that would be acceptable in the South. Of course this royal family and nation wouldn't be traditional royalty. It would be very different from any royal household in Europe or anywhere else. Uniquely American. I doubt that this would be accepted as royal from European or any other royal household as most of these individuals in it were just average regular people.

NASCAR and Charlotte North Carolina being the Nations Capital of the NASCAR nation as North Carolina is where it's roots began. Daytona Beach International Speedway was where the first races would were run, so this be the capital in the Southern Region of the Nation. In the Mid-West Chicago or the Chicago Speedway would be the capital in the Mid-West, In the West Sonoma Raceway in California would be the capital and Watkins Glens in Watkins Glen in the East would round out the capitals.

A NASCAR fan is part of the NASCAR nation which covers the entire US. We would be the subjects (the nation) and attending races and supporting NASCAR would be our duties. This nation is conservative, very patriotic and religious (bordering a bit on quasi-Christianity) but at the same time has moderation which contradicts this(very strange mix). I will omit the politics here but you get the general idea.

Well, you need someone to rule the NASCAR nation so you have NASCAR royalty. The France family would rule over the nation as they started it and the NASCAR drivers would be the Prince and Princess of this nation. Some like Richard Petty, the Earnhardts, Jimmy Johnson and Jeff Gordon would be in the highest rungs of this dynasty. Getting into this royalty would require hard work and one does not have to be wealthy to get into this royalty as these individuals were not wealthy prior to racing.
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Finland was on its was way to become a monarchy in 1917 when it gained its independence from Russia. If they had chosen someone else than a German prince to be their monarch maybe Finland could be a monarchy today. Prince Wilhelm of Sweden could have been a candidate, but his wife was a Russian princess and she may not have been a popular queen. Two other alternative could be prince Carl, duke of Västergötland and his wife Ingeborg, or Ingeborg's brother prince Harald of Denmark and his wife Helena. Both Carl and Harald had several young children in 1917. A constitutional monarchy in the same way as in Sweden and Denmark would have been a good choice, the monarch and his/her family as a figurehead. As Finland was one of the first countries with female suffrage in 1906, they could perhaps have chosen to have male-preference cognatic primogeniture instead of the agnatic primogeniture as it was in Sweden and Denmark at the time.
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I see... But I wonder if creating a new monarchy wouldn't have been an odd choice already back in 1917 (even if the old monarchies of Germany, Austria och Russia still would be around for another year). For example, I seem to remember that the Norwegians seriously considered founding a republic instead back in 1905.

Wilhelm and Maria would have been a nice choice as king and queen of Finland though, as they could have represented the Swedish and Russian parts of the country's history. Then again, I believe that Maria had already left Wilhelm and returned to Russia by then...
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Yes, I forgot that Vilhelm and Maria was divorced by 1917.

As for the plans to make Finland a monarchy in 1918, the plans had gone far and there were even a design for a crown for the future monarch of Finland, so it's very possible that if Germany hadn't lost the war in 1918 Finland would have become a monarcy: Kingdom of Finland (1918) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia There were also other short-lived monarchies in 1918, for example Lithuania.
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Old 03-05-2015, 07:32 PM
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Ah... I had no idea that the plans for a Finnish monarchy had come that far, or even that Lithuania had a brief monarchy. But I guess you can learn something new every day.
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This is a bit off tropic, but if anyone is interested in reading alternate historical fiction, I can recommend "The Shadow of the Lion" one of the major characters is Manfred of Brittany, a heir to the Holy Roman Empire. The book is set in the 1530ies in Venice.
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