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Old 04-04-2009, 01:02 PM
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Prince Charles and Camilla are to visit the pope.
Charles and Camilla to meet the Pope for first time during five-day trip to Italy | Mail Online
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Old 04-10-2009, 07:03 AM
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I understand that bit but Queen Margrethe II is in the Vatican and not wearing black. Does anyone understand why.
During the funeral of the Pope Jonh Paul II the Queens of Denmark and Spain didn't wear white dresses:

elmundo.es | JUAN PABLO II - 1920/2005 - El Papa que vino del Este

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I think that the privilege of the white dresses is an historic privilege, when the Kings or Emperors fougth for the Vatican and the Catholic religion. The principal were Spain, Italy and Austria. But i Don't know the rest of them (Belgium, Luxembourg, etc...)
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Old 04-10-2009, 07:08 AM
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When a lady makes a 'mistake' and wears white in front of Pope, you will not hear it from Vatican diplomats. It is nice when you observe the old protocol, but it is no longer a strict requirement.

Compare it with the tradition of bowing and making révérences: on most Courts you may bow or make a révérence but it is no longer required, not even at the British Court.

The privilège du Blanc in short:

- HM Queen Sofía of Spain
- HM Queen Paola of the Belgians
- HM Queen Fabiola of the Belgians
- HRH Grand-Duchess María Teresa of Luxembourg, Duchess of Nassau
- the Archduchesses of Austria (they do not use the privilège)
- the Princesses of the House di Savoia (most do not use the privilège)

The question mark for the future:

- HM Queen Máxima of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau
Will she meet the Pope, dressed in white?
I think taht it's becouse they aren't "Catholic Majesties":

The titles Catholic King and Catholic Queen are awarded by the Pope as head of the Roman Catholic Church to monarchs who in the eyes of the papacy embody Catholic principles in their personal lives and state policies. The title remains attached to monarchs descended from whoever received the original, unless withdrawn by a Pope. Among the reigning monarchs of Europe, the title is currently carried by the sovereigns of Belgium, Luxembourg and Spain. The Roman Catholic Princes of Monaco and Liechtenstein have not been awarded the title, and the other European monarchs (Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, and the United Kingdom) are Protestant.
One of the rights of being a Catholic Queen, either regnant or consort, is that she may wear white, rather than the normal black, when meeting the Pope (known as privilège du blanc).
The most popular example of the granting of this title is upon Isabella I of Castile and Ferdinand II of Aragon (both kingdoms are now part of Spain). The Kings of Spain (since Los Reyes Católicos) have used the style of a Catholic Majesty. The present king chose not to relinquish the ancient titles of the Spanish crown, but he does not use them [1].


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Old 05-02-2009, 03:52 PM
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The future Queen Maxima will not qualify for the " privilège du Blanc " because even though she is Catholic herself she is not a "Catholic Queen"- meaning the Netherlands is not a Catholic monarchy.
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Old 05-03-2009, 09:41 AM
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The future Queen Maxima will not qualify for the " privilège du Blanc " because even though she is Catholic herself she is not a "Catholic Queen"- meaning the Netherlands is not a Catholic monarchy.
How did Maxima get married with Prince Guillermo Alejandro? Did she get married in two ceremonies like Prince Juan Carlos and Princess Sofia in 1962?

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Princess Maxima married Prince Wilhelm Alexander civil ceremony in the Beurs van Berlage, Amsterdam which was then followed by a religious ceremony at the Nieuwe Kirk (also in Amsterdam).

Maxima has stayed faithful to the Catholic Church and not converted to the religion of the Prince. However they did agree that Princess Catharina-Amalia, Alexia and Ariane would be protestant.

The privilège du Blanc applies for..
Queen Sofia of Spain.
Queen Paola and Fabiola Of Belgium.
Grand Duchess Maria Theresa of Luxembourg.
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Old 05-03-2009, 01:55 PM
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Which Royal Queen received the Pope's golden rose ?
I know only one : The Grand Duchess Charlotte of Luxembourg.
Perhaps because she was the Head of her country and not an consort ?
Thanks for your help.
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Which Royal Queen received the Pope's golden rose ?
I know only one : The Grand Duchess Charlotte of Luxembourg.
Perhaps because she was the Head of her country and not an consort ?
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It doesn't say that Grand Duchess Charlotte was a recipient of the Golden Rose.
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Old 05-03-2009, 02:09 PM
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Which Royal Queen received the Pope's golden rose ?
I know only one : The Grand Duchess Charlotte of Luxembourg.
Perhaps because she was the Head of her country and not an consort ?
Thanks for your help.
I know: Princess Isabel of Brazil (1888), Queen Amelie of Portugal (1892), Queen Marie Henriette of the Belgians (1893), Queen Ena of Spain (1923), Queen Elisabeth of the Belgians (1925), Queen Elena of Italy (1937).
All them were Queens consort, except for Princess Isabel of Brazil, who was only a Regent and not a Queen.
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I saw the golden rose above her coffin at her funerals.
I know that both Queen Fabiola and Queen Paola don't have it . Therefore my question. Wikipedia is not a bible , you may add informations yourself..
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Old 05-03-2009, 02:53 PM
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Your right, from the information i've found Fabiola and Paolo don't have the Golden Rose. And yes wikipedia is not the bible, but most of the time it is accurate and researched articles match what wikipedia says. The Golden Rose has rarely been given out in the 20th Century to people. Pope Benedict has given it out a few times during his "reign" for want of a better word?

And your right the wikipedia article doesn't say anything about Grand Duchess Charlotte recieving the Golden Rose, which is what I meant by it doesn't say anything on wikipedia. This is probably because the recipients on wikipedia after the 19th Century focus on buildings not people.

I researched another article
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...938528,00.html
which does state that Charlotte receieved the Golden Rose form Pope Pius.
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It is mentioned on the German Wikipedia. Grand Duchess Charlotte was the last reigning person to be awarded with the rose in 1956.
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I saw the golden rose above her coffin at her funerals.
I know that both Queen Fabiola and Queen Paola don't have it . Therefore my question. Wikipedia is not a bible , you may add informations yourself..
The funeral of which one?
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The funeral of which one?
I believe she meant Grand Duchess Charlotte, as Fabiola and Paolo haven't passed away yet.
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Old 05-04-2009, 05:26 AM
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I think queen Fabiola deserved it, may be popes decided not to give it anymore to alive people
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They are still given (maybe not to people) because Benedict XVI gave one to the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception when he visited Washington DC.
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Which Royal Queen received the Pope's golden rose ?
I know only one : The Grand Duchess Charlotte of Luxembourg.
Perhaps because she was the Head of her country and not an consort ?
Thanks for your help.
Queen Victoria Eugenia (wife or King Alfonso XIII of Spain) received it. She left it when the Spanish Royal Family went into exile in 1931.

When she reclaimed it (she reclaimed all her belongings that she didn't carry to the exile. She left Spain only two days after the proclamation of the II Republic), the Government of the II Republic didn't allow to return it to her (because the Government considered that the Golden Rose had been given to her for his position or consort of the King of Spain.

I don't know what happened with it with General Franco arrived to power and after the return of the Prince Juan Carlos to Spain.

Do you know if Queen Sofia has the Golden Rose?

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Do you know if the queens (or empresses like Josephine or Eugenie) of France and Italy and empresses of Austria had the privilege du blanc? I have seen a photo of Queen Maria Jose of Italy visiting the Pope with white dress.

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Do you know if the queens (or empresses like Josephine or Eugenie) of France and Italy and empresses of Austria had the privilege du blanc? I have seen a photo of Queen Maria Jose of Italy visiting the Pope with white dress.

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Yes, the Queens of Italy, the Queens of France and the Empresses of Austria have the privilege du blanc.
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