Royals Visiting the Pope

[A.C.C.]

The dress protocal is as follow:

The Catholic Queens of Belgium and Spain, the Grand Duchess of Luxembourg, the Princesses of Savoia, and the Archduchesses of Habsburg have the priveledge du blanc, which means they are allowed to wear white to the Vatican.

All other Queens and Princesses and other Royals repsectively wear black no matter if you are Catholic or any other sect of Christianity (this is why Letizia, although a Catholic Crown Princess of Spain wore black, but when she becomes Queen, she will be able to wear white).

Queen Rania on visiting the Vatican wore a silvery gray dress and mantilla. She probably did not wear black because she is not a Christian.

On your first visit to the Pope, you dress in full-gala as we saw with the Crown Prince and Crown Princess of Spain yesterday, which for men is unifrom or white-tie and for ladies is gowns, tiaras with mantillas attached, or if a Spanish Royal lady, a Peineta and Mantilla. Both men and women wear their full orders. On following visits to the same Pope, I believe you do not dress in full-gala. Yet when a new Pope is chosen, you dress again in full-gala on meeting him. The only Royals I believe to break that rule and not dress in full-gala on their first time meeting Pope John Paul II are Prince Charles and Princess Diana (although that might not have been his first time metting Pope John Paul) and I believe King Albert and Queen Paola of Belgium ( although that might not have been their first time meeting Pope John Paul).

[helleniki]

Originally posted by A.C.C.@Jun 29th, 2004 - 5:11 pm
The dress protocal is as follow:

The Catholic Queens of Belgium and Spain, the Grand Duchess of Luxembourg, the Princesses of Savoia, and the Archduchesses of Habsburg have the priveledge du blanc, which means they are allowed to wear white to the Vatican.

All other Queens and Princesses and other Royals repsectively wear black no matter if you are Catholic or any other sect of Christianity (this is why Letizia, although a Catholic Crown Princess of Spain wore black, but when she becomes Queen, she will be able to wear white).

Queen Rania on visiting the Vatican wore a silvery gray dress and mantilla. She probably did not wear black because she is not a Christian.

On your first visit to the Pope, you dress in full-gala as we saw with the Crown Prince and Crown Princess of Spain yesterday, which for men is unifrom or white-tie and for ladies is gowns, tiaras with mantillas attached, or if a Spanish Royal lady, a Peineta and Mantilla. Both men and women wear their full orders. On following visits to the same Pope, I believe you do not dress in full-gala. Yet when a new Pope is chosen, you dress again in full-gala on meeting him. The only Royals I believe to break that rule and not dress in full-gala on their first time meeting Pope John Paul II are Prince Charles and Princess Diana (although that might not have been his first time metting Pope John Paul) and I believe King Albert and Queen Paola of Belgium ( although that might not have been their first time meeting Pope John Paul).

Why there are a distinction between the Catholic Royal ladies related to the way of dressing? For example: why don't the Royal ladies of the Portugueses Royal Family are not allowed to use white, being Catholic like the Royal ladies of the Spanish, Belgian, Italian and Austrian Royal Families?

And the use of veil? I saw HM Queen Silvia of Sweden with veil, but TM Queen Sonja of Norway and Queen Anne of Romania without it! Is the use of veil not necessary to the Protestant and the Orthodox Royal ladies?

And the use of tiara? I only saw HM Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain using it twice! And the other Royal ladies, mainly Sovereigns don't use it?

[Freedom]

Along the same line with this thread...can anyone suggest excellent etiquette websites (particularly ones that address royal protocol)?

Thank you. :flower:

[micas]

Can some1 post pics from royals visiting the pope. Gona be nice to see.Like that we have a better ideia.

[pepep]

Queen Rania on visiting the Vatican wore a silvery gray dress and mantilla. She probably did not wear black because she is not a Christian.

It would really hurt Rania’s vain if she would give respect to another religion.

[A.C.C.]

Originally posted by helleniki+Jul 5th, 2004 - 6:38 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (helleniki @ Jul 5th, 2004 - 6:38 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-A.C.C.@Jun 29th, 2004 - 5:11 pm
The dress protocal is as follow:

The Catholic Queens of Belgium and Spain, the Grand Duchess of Luxembourg, the Princesses of Savoia, and the Archduchesses of Habsburg have the priveledge du blanc, which means they are allowed to wear white to the Vatican.

All other Queens and Princesses and other Royals repsectively wear black no matter if you are Catholic or any other sect of Christianity (this is why Letizia, although a Catholic Crown Princess of Spain wore black, but when she becomes Queen, she will be able to wear white).

Queen Rania on visiting the Vatican wore a silvery gray dress and mantilla.&nbsp; She probably did not wear black because she is not a Christian.

On your first visit to the Pope, you dress in full-gala as we saw with the Crown Prince and Crown Princess of Spain yesterday, which for men is unifrom or white-tie and for ladies is gowns, tiaras with mantillas attached, or if a Spanish Royal lady, a Peineta and Mantilla.&nbsp; Both men and women wear their full orders.&nbsp; On following visits to the same Pope, I believe you do not dress in full-gala.&nbsp; Yet when a new Pope is chosen, you dress again in full-gala on meeting him.&nbsp; The only Royals I believe to break that rule and not dress in full-gala on their first time meeting Pope John Paul II are Prince Charles and Princess Diana (although that might not have been his first time metting Pope John Paul) and I believe King Albert and Queen Paola of Belgium ( although that might not have been their first time meeting Pope John Paul).

Why there are a distinction between the Catholic Royal ladies related to the way of dressing? For example: why don't the Royal ladies of the Portugueses Royal Family are not allowed to use white, being Catholic like the Royal ladies of the Spanish, Belgian, Italian and Austrian Royal Families?

And the use of veil? I saw HM Queen Silvia of Sweden with veil, but TM Queen Sonja of Norway and Queen Anne of Romania without it! Is the use of veil not necessary to the Protestant and the Orthodox Royal ladies?

And the use of tiara? I only saw HM Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain using it twice! And the other Royal ladies, mainly Sovereigns don't use it? [/b][/quote]
I have no idea why other Catholic royals besides the royals stated don't have the privilege du blanc. And, on visiting the Pope, a mantilla is usually always worn. I'm not sure why Queen Sonja did not wear one, but all other royals I have seen that have visited the Vatican have worn a mantilla. On the subject of tiaras, tiaras are usually worn by royal women (unless they are members of the Spanish Royal Family) on their first visit to a Pope because the first visit is almost always a full-gala event. Queen Elizabeth II has worn a tiara each time She has visited a new Pope (therefore HM did not wear one on Her second time meeting John Paul II). Queen Silvia wore one on her first meeting with John Paul II, Queen Margrethe wore one on Her first meeting with a Pope. As I said, the Spanish Royals dont wear tiaras when meeting the Pope for the first time, but their form of full-gala for this event is wearing a peineta with a mantilla attached, as Queen Sofia did for her first time meeting the various Popes she has met as well as Princess Letizia recently (and I assume Infantas Elena and Christina did as well). However, there have been times where a royal visit has been full-gala, but a tiara was not worn like when the Grand Duke and Grand Duchess of Luxembourg visited the Vatican in 2000. Henri (as well as 2 of his sons) wore white tie and his orders and Maria Teresa wore a white gown, but she did not wear a tiara with her mantilla.

[Josefine]

thank you all for the information

[Torkel]

The King and Queen of Norway paid a state visit to Italy and the Vatican in October 2001. They were originally suppsed to be entertained to a gala banquet by the President of Italy and visit the pope wearing full gala (including tiara for Queen Sonja). Then came the 9/11 attacks on the WTC. The visit was almost cancelled, but instead they chose to scale down the pomp. The banquet was thus in black-tie and the King and Queen wore day-time attire for the meeting with the pope.

[Josefine]

we had a thread with a loto f photos of royals visiting the pope but i can´t find it has anyone seen it

[sara1981]

we need lots picture with King and Queen,Prince and Princess,Crown Prince and Crown Princess who meet with the pope than NO pictures! includes late Princess Diana of Wales.

Sara Boyce

[Australian]

My Lord- what does it matter what colour they wear, its silly in my opinion, these days, those sorts of protocol should be history
but tradition is interesting i guess

[GrandDuchess]

King Carl XVI Gustaf, Queen Silvia and Crown Princess Victoria received an audience with HH The Pope in November (?) 1999 - Part 1:

[GrandDuchess]

King Carl XVI Gustaf, Queen Silvia and Crown Princess Victoria received an audience with HH The Pope in November (?) 1999 - Part 2:

[Alexandria]

Here is a very grand photo of King Carl Gustav and Queen Sylvia visiting the Pope (not sure from when).

It is courtesy of Ademar at the Glittering Royal Events MB.

A rather appropriate thread to bump up at this time with the Pope's health condition in the news.

[ElisaR]

The dress is very similar to Queen Elizabeth's!!!

[HMQueenElizabethII]

I wonder have the Wessexes or The Princess Royal Anne ever visited The Pope?

[GrandDuchess]

While all of us is worrying and praying for His Holiness the Pope after the various bad news from the Vatican, I thought I would honour him by providing some pictures of him next to our royals.

1: King Juan Carlos & Queen Sophia with the Pope in Madrid Spain in May 2003
2: The Pope with Prince Rainier and Princess Grace
3: The Pope with King Juan Carlos & Queen Sophia in 1993
4: Diana, The Princess of Wales in the Vatican in 1985
5: Diana, The Princess of Wales in the Vatican in 1985
6: Queen Elizabeth in the Vatican
7: Queen Elizabeth in the Vatican
8: Queen Elizabeth in the Vatican

[GrandDuchess]

1: The Royal Family in the Vatican in 1991
2: The King and Queen in the Vatican in 1991
3: The King and Queen in the Vatican in 1991
4: The King and Queen in the Vatican in 1999
5, 6 & 7: Crown Princess Victoria (and seen on the pics is also Princess Benedikte of Denmark) at a Mass to celebrate St. Birgitta's 700th jubilee in the St. Peter Basilica in the autumn of 2003

[A.C.C.]

Queen Elizabeth II and the Duke of Edinburgh visiting Pope John Paul II in 1980

[sara1981]

Originally Posted by HMQueenElizabethII

I wonder have the Wessexes or The Princess Royal Anne ever visited The Pope?

i totally agree with you!

Sara Boyce