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Old 01-12-2013, 04:14 PM
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Nice collection of photo's of Royals, Presidents,First ladies ,Prime ministers meeting the various Popes.

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Very interesting to see the (catholic, right?) Queen of Lesotho wearing black
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To wear white to a papal audience, however, "is not in good taste," Msgr. De Nicolo said. The only people allowed to do so, he said, are Catholic kings, queens and other reigning Catholic royalty.
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Old 01-12-2013, 04:29 PM
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To wear white to a papal audience, however, "is not in good taste," Msgr. De Nicolo said. The only people allowed to do so, he said, are Catholic kings, queens and other reigning Catholic royalty.
"Other reigning Catholic royalty" does not mean "all other reigning Catholic royalty" but may also mean "some other reigning royalty"..
By the way how much accurate is the source? According to them catholic kings wear white!?!
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Old 01-12-2013, 04:40 PM
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"Other reigning Catholic royalty" does not mean "all other reigning Catholic royalty" but may also mean "some other reigning royalty"..
By the way how much accurate is the source? According to them catholic kings wear white!?!
Amadea: for one thing, it's a 'privilege' not an obligation to wear white, see photo File:King Albert I,and Queen Elisabeth of Belgium -Pontificale Audiëntie.jpg - Wikimedia Commons
Queen Elisabeth of Belgium chosing NOT to wear white even though she had the privilege
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"Other reigning Catholic royalty" does not mean "all other reigning Catholic royalty" but may also mean "some other reigning royalty"..
By the way how much accurate is the source? According to them catholic kings wear white!?!
Well I guess that depends on how reliable you feel the Catholic News Service is, posted on another thread courtesy of Lady MacAlpine.

CNS STORY: Vatican dress code: Do's and don'ts for presidential, pilgrim attire

"The household's regent, Msgr. Paolo De Nicolo, told Catholic News Service that as long as a person's outfit is "decent" and "in good taste," anything goes.

That's why, when women from African or Asian nations wear very elaborate or colorful traditional formal wear to a papal audience, it's not considered a rude or lewd fashion faux pas.

To wear white to a papal audience, however, "is not in good taste," Msgr. De Nicolo said. The only people allowed to do so, he said, are Catholic kings, queens and other reigning Catholic royalty."
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So, from that we may infer that Charlene now comes under "other reigning Catholic royalty" and has been extended the privilege du blanc. I can't see her making such a mis-step when in the company of Albert and especially when you have someone like Caroline as a sister-in-law!
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Regardless of Privilege , it is dreadful outfit from top to bottom and Charlene looks less than delighted to be there. I can understand this. If I were wearing a tablecloth, topped with some awful doily veil/mantilla and someone was recording it for posterity I'd be mortified too. On topic: I'd be shocked if the whole hideous outfit had not been vetted for protocol well in advance.
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What is the history behind the black/white protocol?
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Wikipedia has a nice article on privilege du blanc, including its history and background.

To be concise, formal Vatican protocol for papal audiences require long-sleeved, formal black garments and a black mantilla for women. However, wives of Catholic Monarchs and female Catholic Monarchs hold the privilege du blanc, wherein they are allowed to wear white when in an audience with the Pope.
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Hopefully she was granted the privilege. I would hate to think that she would (or her advisors) would make that kind of mistake.
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I think it has already been established that Charlene was indeed granted the privilege (see earlier posts).
Protocol is very strictly adhered to on such events and Charlene would have been briefed on what she could wear beforehand, both by Vatican and Monaco advisers.
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:31 PM
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Thanks Artemisia! I for one loved the outfit she chose! And I would hate to think that it was in error. One of her best looks for me. The coat was outstanding, the shoes were lovely, the head scarf was gorgeous and her hair and make up were perfect!
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How silly that women have to dress in an such awful, old-fashioned manner to meet the Pope.
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Old 01-12-2013, 07:39 PM
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Apicture from 1980, when the Queen met the Pope - nothing awful about this

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I think it has already been established that Charlene was indeed granted the privilege (see earlier posts).
Protocol is very strictly adhered to on such events and Charlene would have been briefed on what she could wear beforehand, both by Vatican and Monaco advisers.
Thank you Artemisia for your clarifications, as always you help out setting the tone of the conversation . . . .
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A beautiful image of Jackie Kennedy in a very plain but elegant long black dress (givency?) with an long mantilla.

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Wikipedia has a nice article on privilege du blanc, including its history and background.

To be concise, formal Vatican protocol for papal audiences require long-sleeved, formal black garments and a black mantilla for women. However, wives of Catholic Monarchs and female Catholic Monarchs hold the privilege du blanc, wherein they are allowed to wear white when in an audience with the Pope.
While the Princess of Monaco is not traditionally given the privilege du blanc, princesses from certain Italian royal and noble families are given the privilege. For example, the Italian royal family: the Princess of Piedmont (Crown Princess Marie-Jose) was not yet queen but wore white to meet the Pope in 1939 as a princess from the House of Savoy.
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^^^That's such a wonderful photo; what an amazing attire the Princess is wearing.
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^^^That's such a wonderful photo; what an amazing attire the Princess is wearing.
Marie José of Belgium?

I agree with you there,its almost like a old movie set piece!
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^^^Yes, I meant the photo of Marie Jose and her magnificent gown and jewels that EmpressRouge posted. And the photo does look like a movie still from a 1930s set.
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