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Old 06-17-2016, 04:41 PM
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I thought that based on the order in the court circular, William takes precedence over his uncles. Could it be that the Earl and Countess of Wessex were "bumped up" because their guests were a Crown Prince and Princess (who would outrank William)?
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Old 06-17-2016, 04:50 PM
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No. Order of precedence is not the same as the court circular. It is based on proximity to the queen. So her husband, then her sons based on birth order, followed by her grandsons based on birth order.
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Old 06-17-2016, 04:51 PM
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To be frank, sometimes I think people just sit with who they want to sit with. Frederik and Mary are close to Sophie and Edward, Lord Vestey is close to the royal household in general.
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Old 06-17-2016, 04:55 PM
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I think they tend to be a bit loosey goosey with what where William is ranked in the order of precedent - sometimes it's based on his being the 2nd in line, sometimes it's based on him being the grandson, not son, of the monarch.

My guess is that the Queen and DoE went first, because of course, Charles and Camilla went second because of course, with the Vesteys who were their guests, Edward and Sophie went third as the child of the monarch, with Frederik and Mary who they know from all the Continental events they've attended together, and William and Kate rounded out the group.

There's also a bit of an age grouping going on...

The Queen and DoE - 90s

Charles, Camilla, and the Vesteys - 60s/70s

Edward, Sophie, Frederik, and Mary - late 40s (with similarly aged children)

William, Kate, and the Beaumonts - 30s (also with similarly aged children).

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I'm sure it was an age thing.
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Old 06-17-2016, 05:04 PM
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According Wikipedia:
Lord Samuel George Armstrong Vestey,
3rd Baron Vestey, Baronet,
Knight Commander in the Royal Victorian Order,
Bailiff Grand Cross of the Order of Saint John,
Deputy Lieutenant of Gloucestershire,
is currently serving as Master of the Horse of the Royal Household.

Probably the seating of Lord and Lady Vestey was functional: he has the nominal authority over the Crown Equerry and the equerries. He has a (ceremonial) office and appears when the Sovereign is mounted.
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Old 06-17-2016, 05:22 PM
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The Vestey's are friends of C & C.
The Danish royals are friends of the Wessex's
The Beaumont's are friends of Cambridge's.


Simple as that....
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Old 06-17-2016, 05:40 PM
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The Vestey's are friends of C & C.
The Danish royals are friends of the Wessex's
The Beaumont's are friends of Cambridge's.


Simple as that....
It is not always as simple as that. Were it the King of the Netherlands or the Queen of Denmark, you bet other rules would apply that who-is-friends-with-who...
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Old 06-18-2016, 11:40 AM
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I thought that based on the order in the court circular, William takes precedence over his uncles. Could it be that the Earl and Countess of Wessex were "bumped up" because their guests were a Crown Prince and Princess (who would outrank William)?
The CC is set up according to the Line of Succession not the Order of Precedence. These are two different lists. The carriages follow Order of Precedence not Line of Succession.
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Old 06-18-2016, 01:35 PM
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Numerous times we have seen William and Harry get precedence over their uncles and aunt. They are the ones following C&C and Q/DoE at events. It was W/K at the State Dinner with China following in the Queen and Philip with Andrew, Edward and Anne present too.


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Numerous times we have seen William and Harry get precedence over their uncles and aunt. They are the ones following C&C and Q/DoE at events. It was W/K at the State Dinner with China following in the Queen and Philip with Andrew, Edward and Anne present too.


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I've noticed that as well. That's why I was surprised that according the the Order of Precedence that they Wales brothers are behind their uncles.
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Old 06-18-2016, 02:46 PM
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It is all pretty fluïd and no longer chiseled in granite who should come before who. The big lines are clear. The details can differ.
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Old 06-27-2016, 07:06 PM
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I find it curious that Prince Philip walks behind Queen Elizabeth (I think it is two paces) even when they are not on an official visit somewhere. Even in the pictures where they sat on a blanket to show off the infant Prince Andrew, he walked behind her coming in. Little Prince Charles, and little Princess Anne were already seated on the blanket. When they walked out, the Queen pushed the new baby carriage herself, with the nurse walking just behind. Prince Philip was holding the other children's hands, and the three of them were behind the carriage and the nursemaid.

Maybe ANY photograph to be shown to the public must be arranged that way. I am happy they announced that in private the Royal Couple is still very affectionate with each other after 70 years together!!

It is known that Prince Philip gave up an entire, promising career in the Royal Navy in order to marry Queen Elizabeth. Romantic
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Old 06-27-2016, 07:20 PM
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He married Princess Elizabeth. He was still a naval officer until Queen Elizabeth acceded to the throne after her father's death. King George VI was always a rather frail man, but I think the couple hoped when they married in 1947 that they could have perhaps a decade before they had to be full time royals, even if, even after her marriage, Elizabeth had to help her parents by performing some engagements.
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Old 06-28-2016, 08:24 PM
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The Countess of Wessex said of The DofE that he was a "gentleman" and a "gentle man".

He was raised in an age where manners and politeness where taught to be second nature (although, maybe not so much political correctness).

I am sure his positioning is as much "ladies first" as it is "monarch followed by consort" - especially in an informal setting.
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Old 06-28-2016, 09:43 PM
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I don't think it's that uncommon for men to walk behind their wives at times. Just depends on the situation/location.


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I'm assuming this is the correct place for this question. Why is it that some royals wear their sashes differently? I noticed some wear on the right and some wear on the left.
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I'm assuming this is the correct place for this question. Why is it that some royals wear their sashes differently? I noticed some wear on the right and some wear on the left.
Each order comes with a different protocol. Which direction you wear it depends on which order

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Old 03-31-2017, 02:20 AM
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Depends on the order and what other orders are being worn at the time. There is no standard rule covering 'orders' in general only ones covering each order in turn.
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i saw this picture of WA's 50th birthday banquet. to the right of the picture, the lady wearing white seems to be wearing a large hat. this was an evening reception where you can see the queen wearing a long dress (and other guests). from the pictures i have seen there weren't other ladies wearing hats. is it correct etiquette to wear a hat for an evening banquet inside? i assume the lady was wearing a long dress, but i may be wrong.

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i saw this picture of WA's 50th birthday banquet. to the right of the picture, the lady wearing white seems to be wearing a large hat. this was an evening reception where you can see the queen wearing a long dress (and other guests). from the pictures i have seen there weren't other ladies wearing hats. is it correct etiquette to wear a hat for an evening banquet inside? i assume the lady was wearing a long dress, but i may be wrong.



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I can't comment on European custom but here in the UK the 'rules' of hat wearing now go something like this -

Hats are worn by ladies at daytime functions inside and outside.

Hats are not generally worn after 6pm (The Queen sometimes does for example at the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony s few years ago).

Hats are not removed to eat, during the National Anthem etc.

When attending a wedding hats are removed around 6 o'clock, but guests take their lead from the mother of the bride.

So I would guess a hat at the King's Banquet wasn't strictly correct as the dress was Black Tie and very firmly an evening event!
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