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Old 07-20-2012, 02:17 PM
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I guess not every family has a brilliant designer like Queen Margerethe. :)
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Old 07-20-2012, 02:50 PM
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Old 07-20-2012, 03:10 PM
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Yes, but with some of those Danish and Swedish designs if you didn't already know whose monogram it was you might struggle to figure them out. More especially so as time goes by.
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Old 07-20-2012, 03:27 PM
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Sorry, but some of those Danish ones just look wrong to me. Joachim's in particular looks like some sort of airline's logo.
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Old 07-20-2012, 06:57 PM
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Yes, but with some of those Danish and Swedish designs if you didn't already know whose monogram it was you might struggle to figure them out. More especially so as time goes by.
And these British ones is easier to understand?




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Old 07-20-2012, 07:14 PM
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Why have a monogram and what is it's official purpose and use (I'm already aware of mongrams on bone china to celebrate royal weddings).
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Old 07-23-2012, 09:32 PM
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Why have a monogram and what is it's official purpose and use (I'm already aware of mongrams on bone china to celebrate royal weddings).
I don't know whether it's the official purpose of monograms or not, but they're mainly used on stationery, as letterhead, and as such for both private and official correspondence. When a lady-in-waiting/secretary writes on behalf of a Bristish royal, for instance, she/he writes on the same monogrammed stationery as the one the said royal uses for his private correspondence (I've seen this recently, on the occasion of Harry's jubilee tour, there was a girl who posted a typed letter she received from an official with Harry's monogram -- the girl had written to him and she posted a video showing the answer on youtube.) Stationery with individual monograms is used for individual correspondence, the one bearing the combined/wedding monogram is used when it's the couple who's writing. The Danish royals also use their wedding monograms on the cover of the order of service of the christenings of their children and on menus of banquets celebrating the couple's anniversaries (in the UK, as far as I know,they use their coat of arms instead.) Again in DK, we have Queen Margrethe's cypher as a monarch, for official correspondence (with the initials MR 2, Margrethe Regina the second), and another one depicting an M, used for her personal correspondence, then there's Prince Henrik's monogram and their wedding monogram, which also appears on menus when they celebrate their wedding jubilees. They also use their wedding monograms in wrought iron at the gates of castles, for example, Schackenborg had the combined monogram of Joachim and Alexandra on the gates, then it was replaced by the wedding monogram of Joachim and Marie after 2008.
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:14 PM
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Sorry, but some of those Danish ones just look wrong to me. Joachim's in particular looks like some sort of airline's logo.

LOL!! I completely agree. Bizarre, really!
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:44 PM
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British Monogram and Crown on silver

This is my first post and I hope I am doing it the correct way.
I recently purchased a piece of silver with a handle, at the top fo the handle is a monogram and crown. The piece is hallmarked with date letter for year 1881, and was originally retailed at White, Bond St., London. I have done some research, but have not been able to find an exact match.
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Any help in identifying the monogram would be much appreciated.

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Old 08-14-2012, 05:59 PM
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The crown is definitely the British crown of a "Child of a Sovereign". I can't imagine whose initials they could be, though.
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Old 08-21-2012, 12:32 PM
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The crown is definitely the British crown of a "Child of a Sovereign". I can't imagine whose initials they could be, though.
Thank you for your reply it gives me hope the mystery will one day be figured out. I was reasonably satisfied with it being British. I however can not decipher the monogram itself. First I thought 2 Cs front and reversed, then C & O, and lastly G and G in reverse. The center character on the other hand is one I absolutely no idea or guess. I do like a good mystery, so will continue the search. Once more, thank you.

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Old 08-26-2012, 12:47 PM
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Looks royal to me

This is a monogram WR with three plumed crown on a Bing & Grondahl porcelain dish, made in Denmark sometime between 1914 and 1947. Can anyone help me identify this? Thank you so much!

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Old 08-27-2012, 07:25 PM
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I am trying to identify this mark. Can anyone help?

Please email me to studio1934@pacbell.net

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Old 08-27-2012, 10:12 PM
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This is a monogram WR with three plumed crown on a Bing & Grondahl porcelain dish, made in Denmark sometime between 1914 and 1947. Can anyone help me identify this? Thank you so much!

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Welcome to the Royal Forums. The plumed crown seems to be the Prince of Wales's feathers, Prince of Wales's feathers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The prince of Wales between 1914 and 1937 was the future king Edward VIII, later the duke of Windsor. I wouldn't think that the dish was made for him personally, but rather for some organization, regiment or other that were connected to the Prince of Wales and was permitted to use the Prince of Wales's feathers as a part of their monogram.
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Old 08-28-2012, 02:16 PM
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I am trying to identify this mark.
The coronet is that of an Earl, of which there are many in Britain.
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At yesterday's funeral of Alix della Faille de Leverghem, Countess de Lannoy two officers were seen bearing the Coat of Arms of the de Lannoys with OBIIT printed across the top.

Could Warren or some other knowledgeable person translate what that was, or what it meant?

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Old 09-01-2012, 09:43 AM
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OBIIT
is in Latin: it's the third-person singular perfect active indicative of obeo.
Obeo has several meanings but in its perfect active singular form it is translated as "he/she died".
If used on Coat of Arms, it indicates that a person who was entitled to use the Coat is dead. Usually, it is used for funerals and remembrance services only,
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Old 11-28-2012, 04:56 PM
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Duchess of Cambridge Coat of Arms

The new website of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge finally shows Kate's coat of arms after the wedding. As far as I know there was no official announcement for the issuing of the Royal Warrant (as it was the case with Camilla back in July 2005).
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The Queen personally approved the unique Coat of Arms for The Duchess of Cambridge by signing a Royal Warrant.
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The Supporter assigned to The Duchess of Cambridge is a white hind, which has had continuing Royal connections in England since the 14th Century. The lion is the Supporter of The Duke of Cambridge’s Coat of Arms.
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The white hind has had a long tradition of connections to the Royal Family in England since the fourteenth century. It was the Badge of Joan of Kent (c. 1328-1385), Princess of Wales, better known as the Fair Maid of Kent.

In 1467 an inventory of ornaments and relics at Westminster Abbey included a red altar-cloth and frontal with gold lions and white hinds for the altar of King Henry V. In 1529 King Henry VIII had three hinds carved amongst the eighteen beasts at Hampton Court. The white hind contrasts with the white hart, the favourite Badge of the Fair Maid of Kent’s son Richard II.

The hart or stag is the male red deer and the hind the female. A hind is a forest dweller and stands well next to a Shield where acorns are the principal feature.
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Interesting that they chose the hind as a supporter.

Wikipedia has a better version of the coat of arms...
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Dear All,

I am new to the forum and I am trying to identify two monograms from two antique furniture. The first one is possibly 1690 or slightly later. It is on a Boulle marquetry wardrobe, possibly from Austria. The other is on a mirror, the monogram is in gilt bronze and I think it is maybe 1700, possibly German? See photos below, including some photoshop colouring to help

Both pieces belongs to two museums. I help them (volunteer) and unfortunately don't have any money to call the "experts". Any help would therefore be greatly appreciated (and credited if you want).

Many thanks for your help,

Yannick
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Old 03-21-2013, 06:49 PM
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Do you know if these are meant to be owner's marks or manufacturer's marks?
The reason is that the coronet/crown designs or representations seem somewhat dubious.

The first and third, with its three strawberry leaves, appears to be a bastardisation of a British Marquess coronet [image1] (ignoring the cap), except that it has two "pearls" rather than one between each strawberry leaf (the small balls on the uprights are called "pearls", although they are not). Many European and Asiatic coronets and crown bases share a similar pattern of fleur de lys-pearl-fleur de lys but I'm not aware of any coronet or crown base that has a fleur de lys-pearl-pearl-fleur de lys design.

The second and fourth resembles a British Earl's coronet [image 2] (minus the cap) but with one strawberry leaf less. This coronet forms the base of a faux Austrian [image 3] or Russian [image 4] Imperial Crown.

The Princely hats and crowns of the Germanic (Holy Roman Empire) states and families [images 5 & 6] bear very little resemblance to either of the coronet/crowns posted above.

Wikipedia has an excellent page on Heraldic Crowns but once again there is really nothing that comes close to resembling either. I'd suggest that even in the 1690s, any princely or aristocratic owner of the furniture would have a pretty good idea of the correct representation of their personal heraldic device but, to me, these two just seem to have little basis in reality.

Apart from that aspect, the central monograms or cyphers may well be genuine and accurate representations but I'm sorry I can't help in that area.

1. Coronet of British Marquess (regulated 1661 by Charles II)
2. Coronet of British Earl
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3. Imperial Crown of Austria (made 1602 for Rudolf II)
4. Imperial Crown of Russia (made 1762 for Catherine the Great)
5. Holy Roman Empire Princely Hat
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