Royal Cyphers, Arms and Monograms

[vonLichtenberg]

Coat of Arms of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta


Coat of Arms of His Most Eminent Highness Prince Grand Master Matthew Festing


Flag of His Most Eminent Highness Prince Grand Master Matthew Festing
The Prince Grand Master also has a banner of his arms which can be seen here


Coat of Arms of the Late Prince Grand Master Andrew Bertie


Coat of Arms of the Late Prince Grand Master Angelo de Mojana di Cologna

[Warren]

The Arms, Standards, Monograms etc of the so-called 'Principality of Lichtenberg' have been removed as they are fanciful creations dating from 2010 and therefore have no relevance to The Royal Forums.

Warren
TRF Admin

[RoyalistRiley]

Thanks for these, I greatly admire the heraldry of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta.

[Warren]

A note on the posting of Coats of Arms

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thanks,
Warren

[Glasshouse]

Originally Posted by vonLichtenberg

Monogram of HSH the Reigning Prince of Liechtenstein*

(*I contacted the Prince's Office to ask if that was correct and if any other members had one)

I'm not sure that this is the monogram of Prince Hans-Adam. It looks more like two "L's" in mirror image of each other. Maybe it's a monogram representing "Liechtenstein."

[PICHETTE]

What was the cypher used by HRH Princess Elizabeth and Prince Philip?

[Noble Consort Ming]

Originally Posted by PICHETTE

What was the cypher used by HRH Princess Elizabeth and Prince Philip?

This is the one of Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip. I'm guessing there was a different one before she was queen.

Fileual Cypher of Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip of Great Britain.svg - Wikimedia Commons

[RoyalistRiley]

Originally Posted by Noble Consort Ming

This is the one of Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip. I'm guessing there was a different one before she was queen.

Fileual Cypher of Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip of Great Britain.svg - Wikimedia Commons

When would they use this cypher? I've never seen it before and as Elizabeth always outranks Philip, especially on state occasions when such a symbol would be in evidence, I can't see where it would be used.

[Noble Consort Ming]

I just noticed that it had already been posted earlier in this thread. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you questioning that such a cypher exists?
I've only seen it online and I haven't given any thought to where it would be used.

[RoyalistRiley]

I suppose I am questioning whether its legit for that very reason that I can't think where it would be used. I'm happy to be proved wrong, but you have to be wary with what you find on wikipedia. I usually believe it if it is sensible and corroborates what I've seen/read elsewhere but I'm not sure about this one.

[Noble Consort Ming]

I linked to wiki because it had a big version of it. It was already posted earlier in the thread and I've seen it before. And I realize you have to wary of wiki because it's not my first day using the internet(plus I make plenty of edits on it myself).

[Glasshouse]

The source on this image's Wikicommons page states that the dual monogram of Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip is from a 1972 coin commemorating their 25th anniversary.

[RoyalistRiley]

Ah ok, that makes sense.

[Laura]

Originally Posted by Noble Consort Ming

This is the one of Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip. I'm guessing there was a different one before she was queen.

Fileual Cypher of Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip of Great Britain.svg - Wikimedia Commons

I just don't understand why the BRF are so unimaginative when it comes to their wedding monograms/dual cyphers, they simply put each individual monogram side by side or one over the other and that's it. No effort is made to try to create a new and original combined monogram as it is the case with most royal houses. And what is worse, it sometimes appear to have at least two different versions of said dual monograms, as if they weren't really official. I wonder why.

[cepe]

Originally Posted by Laura

I just don't understand why the BRF are so unimaginative when it comes to their wedding monograms/dual cyphers, they simply put each individual monogram side by side or one over the other and that's it. No effort is made to try to create a new and original combined monogram as it is the case with most royal houses. And what is worse, it sometimes appear to have at least two different versions of said dual monograms, as if they weren't really official. I wonder why.

Probably because they aren't used that much, but also what should they use or create? The coats of arms are more impressive, if that's what you want. What are you expecting? And what is a good example of more imaginative?

[Moonmaiden23]

A couple of days ago I was on Wiki, and saw the Coat of Arms and Crest of the House of Lannoy which of course is the family of Countess Stephanie de Lannoy, soon to be bride of HGD Guillaume of Luxembourg.

I must say it's magnificent, far more regal and impressive than that of the Grand-Ducal House. Will Stephanie still have the right to display her ancestral arms after she marries(along with her new husband's) or will she have to give up the de Lannoy Arms and Crest completely?

Or will Guillaume and Stephanie get an entirely new Coat of Arms of their own?

Sorry that I do not know how to scan images, or I could show everyone.

[Artemisia]

If Stephanie follows the tradition, she will incorporate her family Coat of Arms into that of her future husband's.
The end result would probably be something like this.


Unmarried ladies usually have their Arms depicted on a lozenge and with a blue ribbon (symbol of spinsters). Once married, the Arms are depicted on a shield.
For example, the Duchess of Cambridge's family Coat of Arms were incorporated into that of Prince William's, creating this end result.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23

... saw the Coat of Arms and Crest of the House of de Lannoy which of course is the family of Countess Stephanie de Lannoy, soon to be bride of HGD Guillaume of Luxembourg...I must say it's magnificent, far more regal and impressive than that of the Grand-Ducal House.

1. de Lannoy Arms
2. de Lannoy Blazon
3. Luxembourg Lesser Arms
4. Luxembourg Royal Arms
.

[Moonmaiden23]

AMAZING.

Thanks much, Warren! The 2nd photo, or de Lannoy Blazon, is the one I was referring to as particularly beautiful.

Also, great information Artemisia-the photoshopped image of the combined de Lannoy/Nassau arms is quite impressive!

[Laura]

Originally Posted by cepe

Probably because they aren't used that much, but also what should they use or create? The coats of arms are more impressive, if that's what you want. What are you expecting? And what is a good example of more imaginative?

A good example of imaginative can be found in the Danish Royal House, where a totally new cypher, different from Joachim's and Marie's individual monograms was created on the occasion of their wedding:

Joachim:


Marie:


Dual Cypher - Joachim and Marie:


Same with Joachim and Alexandra:

Joachim:


Alexandra:


Dual Cypher - Joachim and Alexandra: