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Old 09-30-2013, 10:11 PM
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Regency plans for European monarchies.

The Contingency plans for the House of Orange has been released. What are the plans for Sweden, Belgium, ETC.?
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Old 09-30-2013, 10:37 PM
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The Contingency plans for the House of Orange has been released. What are the plans for Sweden, Belgium, ETC.?
Interesting question. I am not sure what the plans are for other countries.


but I got to wondering atter reading this if Queen Elizabeth lives to 101 like her Mother (not impossible but unlikely as one poster said). you really can't expect her to be a active monarch at that age like she is now and she is already starting to slow down a little bit. At what point would Prince Charles have to step in and act as Regent if she does live to 100? Woud it be by her 95th Birthday or after if she still living by then?
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Old 09-30-2013, 10:40 PM
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The law in the UK is very clear on when a Regency is needed - when the monarch is incapable of carrying out the duties of the monarch.

So when could Charles become Regent? If and when the required 3 people declare her incompetent to continue.

That could be as early as tomorrow (not likely but if she had a fall which caused some brain damage) or as late as never.

Only if she can't carry on her duties will their be a regency - mind you those duties are the constitutional duties only - the showy things such as Trooping the Colour are to entertain the masses and not anything she has to do.
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Old 09-30-2013, 10:43 PM
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A Regency in the UK would only happen if Parliament decided HM was unable to undertake her duties due to some mental incapacity. There is no age limit on being monarch so being 95 or 100 does not matter as long as the mind still works. All of the monarchs public functions can be done by other members of the family as they are not constitutional requirements.
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Old 09-30-2013, 10:50 PM
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In the Sally Bedell bio of the queen it was stated that she would step down or Charles would step in if she had, say, a stroke or Alzheimers. Take it with a grain of salt but it rings true.
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In the Sally Bedell bio of the queen it was stated that she would step down or Charles would step in if she had, say, a stroke or Alzheimers. Take it with a grain of salt but it rings true.
If she had a stroke or Alzheimer's a regency would be established under the regency act as she wouldn't be fit to rule. I don't think she'd be able to abdicate though, as she would have to be of a certain mental fitness in order to do so.
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Old 09-30-2013, 11:19 PM
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Periods of lucidity occur in Alzheimers sufferers and if she strokes, recovery enough to communicate her wishes in likely depending on the severity.
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Old 09-30-2013, 11:27 PM
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That is true, although can you imagine the field day tabloids would have with that one? I can see the headlines now "Charles Forces Dying Mother to Abdicate."
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Power to make the declaration of incapacity and the declaration of cessation of incapacity

According to the Regency Act 1937, if "the following persons or any three or more of them, that is to say, the wife or husband of the Sovereign, the Lord Chancellor, the Speaker of the House of Commons, the Lord Chief Justice of England, and the Master of the Rolls, declare in writing that they are satisfied by evidence which shall include the evidence of physicians that the Sovereign is by reason of infirmity of mind or body incapable for the time being of performing the royal functions or that they are satisfied by evidence that the Sovereign is for some definite cause not available for the performance of those functions, then, until it is declared in like manner that His Majesty has so far recovered His health as to warrant His resumption of the royal functions or has become available for the performance thereof, as the case may be, those functions shall be performed in the name and on behalf of the Sovereign by a Regent."[4]
Thus, the persons capable of making a declaration of incapacity (or a declaration of cessation of incapacity) are the consort of the Sovereign, the Lord Chancellor, the Speaker of the House of Commons, the Lord Chief Justice of England and the Master of the Rolls. As of 2013 these positions were held by, respectively, the Duke of Edinburgh, Chris Grayling, John Bercow, Lord Judge, and Lord Dyson.
Any declaration of incapacity or of cessation of incapacity needs to be signed by three or more of them. Declarations based on the monarch's unavailability for a definite cause need to be supported by evidence, and declarations attesting the Sovereign's incapacity by reason of infirmity of mind or body need to be supported by evidence including evidence provided by physicians.
According to the Regency Act 1937, any declaration of incapacity or of cessation of incapacity needs to be made to the Privy Council.
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I reckon that if QMII dies, Frederik becomes King and then dies before Christian is eighteen, our Regency plans would be much alike the Dutch ones. With Mary becoming Queen regent in Christian's stead until he comes of age.
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Old 10-02-2013, 04:32 AM
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I reckon that if QMII dies, Frederik becomes King and then dies before Christian is eighteen, our Regency plans would be much alike the Dutch ones. With Mary becoming Queen regent in Christian's stead until he comes of age.

That probably makes sense.
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Regency for "minor" monarchs..

Since the thread surfaced after the Dutch plans, I think we should discuss a bit about the Regency plans for underage monarchs..

See it is usual that if a monarch is less that 18, the next person in line to the throne over 18.. most likely the sibling of the deceased monarch will be the regent.

However both in the olden days and now, many monarchies are making a change..Instead of naming the next one in line to the throne, they are naming the consort of the dead monarch, who is almost always a parent of the child-monarch as regent.. Then the DoE and now Maxima

So..Whom do you prefer as Regents?
The Consorts of Deceased monarchs or The Persons next line (siblings of deceased monarchs)?

I put my points for and against both these views..

The consorts are always popular and acceptable to people. For example, there is no doubt the DoE would have been a better regent than Princess Margaret who was known more for her romantic escapades than duties in those decades..Similarly Maxima is more popular and automatically acceptable to people..
Thus if consorts are active, more responsible and acceptable, they can be great Regents..

But what I feel against this system is..
The consort is always an outsider. An outsider to the family or even to the country.
And their main purpose is to "accompany" than to function. They may not be always responsible or as sincere/devoted/patriotic to their sense of duty/ultimate goodwill of their nation.
But the siblings of a sovereign will always be. They were born and raised as children of the monarch and will be as patriotic and duty-minded as their dead sibling-monarch. And actually most second sons are also as popular and acceptable to people as regents..

So I want opinions of you..which person do you support being regent, and more importantly WHY..Your answer can vary between different countries, and you can also give examples..
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The Dutch and Belgium thrones both have underaged heirs as the next in line plus underage spares. I think the parent of the new monarch should be the reagent. They would have the best interest of their children in mind.
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Old 10-13-2013, 02:39 AM
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I reckon that if QMII dies, Frederik becomes King and then dies before Christian is eighteen, our Regency plans would be much alike the Dutch ones. With Mary becoming Queen regent in Christian's stead until he comes of age.
No, that would be Joachim. He is the next adult in line and will act as Rigsforstander until Christian turns eighteen.
The second Christian has signed a pledge to obey the Constitution on his eighteenth birthday he will be king.

Mary will still keep her title as queen until she dies or remarry. It is also very likely she may from time to time act as Rigsforstander if Joachim is out of the country. Simply due to her experience. Otherwise it would be likely Nikolai will start to step in as well. - But the timespan for all this happening is narrowing down.
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imo it's good that this is decided on case-for-case basis... Regency should be with someone who knows the royal-affairs really well, preferably on a day to day basis, but this can both be the other parent (after several years in the 'business') or the next in line. In the dutch situation imo both options (Maxima and Constantijn) are equally good, both are well respected and dedicated to the 'job'.
However the next in line isn't automatically best suited for it...not everyone who is in line to a trone is cut out to be so..
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