Questions About Titles - Page 6

CrownPrinceLorenzo · #**101** 02-24-2006, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Warren

Not royals. Only Mediatised Counts have the style of HIllH.

HGDH (His or Her Grand Ducal Highness) is still used to this day by cadet members of the Grand Ducal House of Baden. The Margrave and the Hereditary Prince and Princess are HRH. (The Margravine of Baden is HI&RH because she was born an Archduchess of Austria.) There are about ten members of the family who are styled HGDH.

Well I saw some Princes in that list that was HIllH.

Von Schlesian · #**102** 02-24-2006, 07:19 PM

They were non-Royal Mediatised nobles and not Princes of Royal Houses.. The same phenomenon occurs in the Russian nobility

Toledo · #**103** 02-24-2006, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CrownPrinceLorenzo

Bad news Toledo. The email returned to me. I guess he doesn't have that email anymore. :(

At least is good that he still has the site around.

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Originally Posted by CrownPrinceLorenzo

Ah okay. How were medieval Barons addressed then? Also if a reigning Duke has a son, would he be called a Prince?

My friend, it's my mind that is going medieval with so many questions!

I assume the rules of protocol to address aristocrats have changed quite a bit since the times of Monthy Python's Holy Grail. I do see your point on why the son of a person with a title that is not a King would have his kids being named 'princes'. I remember when I started discovering the differences between countries the surprise that in italy and France a non-royal 'prince' is considered one step down from a duke. Also, in Spain and Britain only one person has the title, while in many places in mainland Europe is shared within the family although the head of the family is the actual owner of the title.

Maybe some other TRF members want to join in and share their ideas, findings and knowledge with us here? :)

CrownPrinceLorenzo · #**104** 02-25-2006, 04:47 AM

;-) You were bombarded by so many questions huh? I call it that Q-Attack Formation.

But yeah, anyone else has any interesting info about all this?

**Warren** · #**105** 02-25-2006, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by CrownPrinceLorenzo

Well I saw some Princes in that list that was HIllH.

The Heads of a few of the Mediatised Comital Houses bear the title of Prince with the style of Serene Highness, but the rest of the family are Counts, Illustrious Highness. Most Heads of the Comital Houses though are Counts, HIllH.

Isn't it about time you started doing some research? All this stuff is on the Internet, waiting to be found. :)

CrownPrinceLorenzo · #**106** 02-25-2006, 07:50 PM

Well some of the Princes listed in that thing I gave were HIllH.

Well thanks guys.

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Isn't it about time you started doing some research? All this stuff is on the Internet, waiting to be found. :)

Well I've done some research. But they were confusing. Wanted some clarification.

hofburg · #**107** 02-25-2006, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyalProtocol

It is to be noted that one should be careful when using the order of titles not to assume that ones title determines the order of precedence,

An emperor, King, Queen and Reigning Prince and Grand Duke all count as Sovereigns and should be ranked according to the Date of their accession not by their Title, likewise their family should be ranked according to thier relation to the Sovereign.

EG HM The Queen AND HSH Prince Albert II are of an Equal rank and do not bow or curtsey to each other,

The Princess Royal (HRH) however would be expected to curtsey to Albert II (HSH) even though his title is of a lesser rank than hers.

And HSH The Grand Duchess of Luxemburg would not be expected to Curtsey to The Prince of Wales (HRH) but he would be expected to bow (nod at least) to Her.

The King and Queen of Greece and The King and Queen of Romania are also still granted the Title of Majesty and bowed and curtseyed to by all nonSovereign Royals. Their Families are also addressed as HRH

The Grand Duchess of Luxemburg is not HSH. She's HRH.

hofburg · #**108** 02-25-2006, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Yeah, it was mentioned before, but the Luxembourg royals are HRH now, because of their connections to the Royal House of Parma. This came from the marriage of Grand Duchess Charlotte to some prince of Parma. Before that they were HGDH's.

The Soverign Grand Duke and the Herdetary Grand Duke had the HRH style regardless of the Prince of Parma. All the rest of the family members had the HGDH style. After the marriage of the late Grand Duchess to the Prince of Parma, all his decendants have enjoyed the HRH style.

RoyalProtocol · #**109** 02-26-2006, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hofburg

The Grand Duchess of Luxemburg is not HSH. She's HRH.

I have already explined above that this was I simple typing error and that I am quite aware that The Grand Duchess is Her Royal Highness and NOT Her Serene Highness.

PreDoc · #**110** 05-19-2006, 11:14 PM

I read that Mathilde was awarded the title "Princess of Belgium" in her own right before her marriage, so if she divorced and re-married a commoner could she keep this title? Or is it conditional on her marriage to Philippe?

Von Schlesian · #**111** 05-20-2006, 05:44 AM

HRH The Duchess of Brabant, being a Roman Catholic, and married to a Roman Catholic, would never divorce, nor would Her Royal Highness re-marry should the marraige end by other means (such as the premature death of HRH The Duke of Brabant), which I am in no way wishing! However, in the hypothetical world, Her Royal Highness would revert to her noble title (as the daughter of [now] Count Patrick d'Udekem d'Acoz.

Duchess · #**112** 06-02-2006, 05:51 PM

Can anyone explain to me how HSH differs from HRH?

pinkylou · #**113** 06-02-2006, 07:39 PM

i do believe HRH is a higher rank than HSH. nowadays it doesn't matter as much, but HSH are meant to bow/curtsey to HRH. The ranking was very important in the victorian era. i also do believe that HSH is for members of a principality like for example monaco.

**Warren** · #**114** 06-03-2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by pinkylou

i do believe HRH is a higher rank than HSH. nowadays it doesn't matter as much, but HSH are meant to bow/curtsey to HRH. The ranking was very important in the victorian era. i also do believe that HSH is for members of a principality like for example monaco.

HRH and HSH are styles. HRH = a member of a Royal House; HSH = a member of a Princely House. HH comes in between.
An HSH Reigning Prince (eg Albert II of Monaco) ranks higher than a non-reigning HRH (eg the Prince of Wales, who is "just" the heir to a throne).

Duchess · #**115** 06-03-2006, 11:12 AM

thank you for your replies.

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HRH The Duchess of Brabant, being a Roman Catholic, and married to a Roman Catholic, would never divorce, nor would Her Royal Highness re-marry should the marraige end by other means (such as the premature death of HRH The Duke of Brabant), which I am in no way wishing! However, in the hypothetical world, Her Royal Highness would revert to her noble title (as the daughter of [now] Count Patrick d'Udekem d'Acoz.

why is that she wouldn't remarry in the event that he passes away? it's alright to re-marry in the roman catholic church in the event of the death of a spouse.

**Warren** · #**116** 06-03-2006, 12:04 PM

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Why is that she wouldn't remarry in the event that he passes away? it's alright to re-marry in the roman catholic church in the event of the death of a spouse.

Maybe it's in the context of Mathilde remaining a Royal widow (in the case of Philippe's premature death) to raise the children to adulthood without any distractions or complications.

Furienna · #**117** 06-03-2006, 06:19 PM

Another interesting thread... I never knew there were so many different styles.

Duchess · #**118** 06-03-2006, 07:42 PM

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Maybe it's in the context of Mathilde remaining a Royal widow (in the case of Philippe's premature death) to raise the children to adulthood without any distractions or complications.

thanks warren. i hadn't thought of that.