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11-14-2005, 04:00 PM
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Given what is going on the world with real issues facing governments, I do not think any average Austrian is going to care if Geza Von Habsburg calls himself Archduke. I also do think any of our British friends will view their aristocracy as superior to another country's royalty, given the average British person probably could care less about their dukes, earls, etc. Ex-King Constantine will still call himself king....Pavlos will still use the title crown prince...and their descendents, unless the Greek government forces them physically otherwise, will still be princes and princesses. People have protested in the past...but in today's world, the minorty of people smarting from the ex-royals and ex-aristocracy using their titles has to be so very small...very, very small... Last edited by Warren; 11-15-2005 at 02:43 AM. Reason: ed quoted bit 
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11-21-2005, 12:49 PM
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Maybe it was before but could anyone explain me what happen wit the titles of Prince of Wales and Duke of York.
King have two sons: Prince of Wales and Duke of York. Both have children. After kiong's death the Prince of Wales become a king and his eldest son become POW. What about king's younger son - did he become DOY or not? If yes what will happen with his uncle - is he still a DOY or not? And what about his(uncle) children - titles? Thanks:)
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11-21-2005, 01:01 PM
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11-21-2005, 02:26 PM
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11-21-2005, 02:28 PM
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I just realized something, if the Duke of York becomes King (as in George V, George VI) does the title revert to the crown ? or is he also HM King so and so, Duke of York (just as many royals have several titles)
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11-22-2005, 11:42 AM
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02-22-2006, 03:16 AM
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Which one's a higher form of address?
His Highness(HH) or His Ducal Serene Highness(HDSH)?
And where does His Illustrious Higness(HIllH) fit in? Or His Serene Highness(HSH)? Last edited by CrownPrinceLorenzo; 02-22-2006 at 03:24 AM.
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02-22-2006, 03:36 AM
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I know HDSH fell out of fashion, the last person I know that used that address was Duke Wilhelm Georg August Heinrich Belgicus of Nassau.
As for HIllH, I'm not sure of it's out of fashion but supposedly The Count of Quadt uses it. So HDSH, where does it place?
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02-22-2006, 06:58 AM
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From Wikipedia:
Imperial, Royal, and Princely Styles Emperors and Empresses had the style of Imperial Majesty (HIM=His or Her Imperial Majesty). Members of imperial families, generally had the style of Imperial Highness (HIH).
Members of royal families (Princes and Princesses) generally have the style of Royal Highness (HRH), although in some royal families (for instance, Denmark), more junior princes and princesses only bear the style of His or Her Highness (HH). Members of reigning princely families are styled Serene Highness (HSH). Reigning Grand Dukes and Grand Duchesses hold the style of Royal Highness (HRH). The styles of members of Grand Ducal families have been inconsistent. In Luxembourg, more senior members of the family have also been Royal Highnesses, but only due to their status as princes of Bourbon of Parma. In Baden and Hesse and the Rhine, junior members held the style of Grand Ducal Highness (HGDH). Members of other grand ducal families generally held the style of Highness (HH). Reigning Dukes and Duchesses bore the style of Highness (HH), as did other members of ducal families. Junior members of some ducal families bore the style of Ducal Serene Highness (HDSH), although it fell out of fashion. The Elector of Hesse-Kassel also bore the style of Highness, as did other members of the Hesse-Kassel family. Mediatized Dukes and reigning and mediatized Fürsten and Fürstinnen (princes and princesses) bear the style of Serene Highness (HSH, German Durchlaucht), as do other members of princely families. Mediatized Counts and Countesses bear the style of Illustrious Highness (HIllH, German Erlaucht).
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02-22-2006, 04:06 PM
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So does that mean HDSH is lower than HH? And HIllH is lowest?
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02-22-2006, 10:26 PM
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Be careful not to place a person's ranking on their style. Even today a Serene Highness can rank higher than an Imperial and Royal Highness; eg Prince Albert II and Prince Hans Adam rank higher than an average Archduke because they are reigning monarchs. Similarly, HSH Hereditary Prince Alois of Liechtenstein ranks higher than HRH The Duke of York because Alois is a Crown Prince and Andrew isn't. I remember seeing a documentary many years ago on the late Prince of Thurn und Taxis where he had a large dinner party. His head butler had quite a chore in ranking all the guests in the correct order of precedence, and the seating plan was upset with the arrival of two unexpected guests. In the old Austria-Germany the ranking of guests would have occupied a great deal of time and care to ensure no errors were made nor offense caused.
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02-22-2006, 10:26 PM
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Yes (with a but). HIllH is the lowest of those styles, but by no means the lowest of styles available (particularly in the Peerage of the United Kingdom).
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02-22-2006, 10:35 PM
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02-22-2006, 10:49 PM
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Interesting thread. From what I read, a Sovereign anything (Prince or Grand Duke) outranks another person with a similar title that is not a head of state himself or herself. The Grand Dukes of Luxemburg outrank any Russian or German Grand Duke. I'll see if I can find you the sites:
History of Nobility Ranks of Nobility :) Found it! One of my favorite places to learn these complicated details: A Glossary of EuropeanNoble, Princely, Royal, and Imperial Titles. Section # 5 and 5.2 refer to ruling titles Last edited by Toledo; 02-22-2006 at 11:22 PM.
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02-22-2006, 11:29 PM
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Okay guys.
So it goes, assuming they all have the same titles, HIH > HGDH > HRH > HSH > HH > HDSH > HIllH? How do you address non-UK Barons? Or reigning Barons? Thanks for the links Toledo.
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