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Old 08-08-2013, 04:59 PM
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I understand that most, if not all royal/princely children in Europe bear their father's title and style.

My question is:

For example, if a Spanish Infante had a son named Carlos and he was titled His Royal Highness Infante Carlos of Spain without holding the title of Duke, Count or Marquis, would his children be Infantes/Infantas as well or "just" Dons/Doñas?

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As per Wiki : The children of an Infante or Infanta have the rank of Grandees, and the style of or His or Her His or Her Excellency,examples HE Don Felipe de Marichalar de Borbón or HE Doña Victoria de Marichalar de Borbón (children of Infanta Elena). Hope this helps you.

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According to Wikipedia Infante/Infanta is a title and rank held by the children of the monarch who are not the heir to the throne, the male-line grandchildren of the reigning monarch, and the wives of the above.

Carlos, Duke of Calabria and his mother, Alice of Bouron-Parma have also been given the title of Infante/a of Spain, because they represent a historical link to the Spanish crown (Carlos' father, Alfonso, was heir presumptive to Alfonso XIII, who was the last Spanish monarch before Juan Carlos). Carlos is the first person in line to the Spanish throne after the legitimate descendants of Juan Carlos.
Thanks for replying Ish, I understand now.

From your explaination, I imagine that the children of the Infante would be Dons/Doñas.

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As per Wiki : The children of an Infante or Infanta have the rank of Grandees, and the style of or His or Her His or Her Excellency,examples HE Don Felipe de Marichalar de Borbón or HE Doña Victoria de Marichalar de Borbón (children of Infanta Elena). Hope this helps you.

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That's also helped, thanks An Ard Ri.
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Thanks for replying Ish, I understand now.

From your explaination, I imagine that the children of the Infante would be Dons/Doñas.



That's also helped, thanks An Ard Ri.
Yes Don/Doña which I believe are the equivalent of the British Lord/Lady.
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If Caroline were to succeed Albert as the sovereign of Monaco would it become a royal house as the Luxembourg family did with Charlotte's marriage. Caroline is an HRH because of her marriage to the prince of Hanover. So then would all Monegasque sovereigns after her be HRHs too?

I'm assuming Albert will have an heir but in case Caroline does succeed.
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No because Carolines sons are not HRH. Only Alexandra is an HRH and she would not pass that on to her children. Carolines children, if she were to come to the throne would be HSH Prince/Princess of Monaco. Alexandra could also still continue to call herself HRH Princess of Hanover if she wished.
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No because Carolines sons are not HRH. Only Alexandra is an HRH and she would not pass that on to her children. Carolines children, if she were to come to the throne would be HSH Prince/Princess of Monaco. Alexandra could also still continue to call herself HRH Princess of Hanover if she wished.

If they are nothing now why would they be HSH if she came to the throne? If she is an HRH why could she not pass that to them? Either way they have nothing now so why should they even gain an HSH? I just thought Caroline coming to the throne would work the same as things did in Luxembourg (although I understand Charlotte didn't have children yet when she became HRH).
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If they are nothing now why would they be HSH if she came to the throne? If she is an HRH why could she not pass that to them? Either way they have nothing now so why should they even gain an HSH? I just thought Caroline coming to the throne would work the same as things did in Luxembourg (although I understand Charlotte didn't have children yet when she became HRH).
A parent can only pass on the titles she/he has had from birth, not titles she/he have got through marriage to children born in previous marriages. If Caroline becomes the sovereign princess of Monaco she will be able to grant whatever titles she wishes to her children, but only the HSH which was hers by birth, not the HRH she got by marriage. In the case of Charlotte of Luxembourg the children got their HRH from their father, who had the right of that title by birth, not from their mother.
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If they are nothing now why would they be HSH if she came to the throne? If she is an HRH why could she not pass that to them? Either way they have nothing now so why should they even gain an HSH? I just thought Caroline coming to the throne would work the same as things did in Luxembourg (although I understand Charlotte didn't have children yet when she became HRH).
Caroline's HRH comes only from her marriage to HRH The Prince of Hanover. He can pass along the HRH and Hanover titles to his children which includes his daughter Alexandra from his marriage to Caroline of Monaco but not to his Casiraghi step children. If Caroline were to become Sovereign Princess of Monaco her children would become HSH Prince/Princess of Monaco.
Charlotte of Luxembourgs children became HRH because they were all the result of her marriage to HRH Prince Felix of Bourbon Parma. He passed the HRH and the Bourbon Parma title onto his children from that marriage.
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Some of the many titles held by Albert II of Monaco



Duke of Valentinois


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Duke of Mayenne


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Marquis of Baux


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Count of Polignac,Ferrette, Belfort, Thann and Rosemont ect

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