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Old 01-24-2011, 08:02 PM
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Yes, thank you. Thanks for merging this. So, what does one call a former regent?
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Old 01-24-2011, 08:04 PM
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Most regents that I am aware of (in the case of Yugoslavia and Belgium) have just gone back to their former titles but sometimes are referred to as the former regent to XXX, Prince Paul of Yugoslavia.

ETA: In the case of Prince Paul, this is what Wikipedia has to say about him:

Prince Paul of Yugoslavia, also known as Paul Karađorđević (Serbo-Croatian: Pavle Karađorđević, Serbian Cyrillic alphabet: Павле Карађорђевић, Slovene: Pavel Karadjordjević, English transliteration: Paul Karageorgevich; 27 April 1893 – 11 September 1976), was Regent of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia during the minority of King Peter II. Peter was the eldest son of his first cousin Alexander I. His title in Yugoslavia was Knez (Knez Pavle Karađorđević), which translates best as "Prince".
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Old 01-24-2011, 08:08 PM
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^^^Thanks. :)
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Old 01-24-2011, 08:49 PM
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Thank you. I was under the assumption that perhaps the spouse received an elevation in the title department. Guess I was wrong.

You made a point about Beatrice being named Regent. Is there anyway that could happen while Charles was alive? I am not certain if the title goes immediately to him or if there are any more conditions that must be met.

The only way Beatrice would be Regent while Charles was alive would be if Charles was incapacitated and was unable to carry out the duties of King or Regent for his mother and there was no one else between Beatrice and Charles capable of carrying out those duties e.g. Charles is King, William, Harry and Andrew are dead but Charles has a stroke and can't mentally carry out the duties then Beatrice would be Regent until Charles recovered or died. Physical incapacity wouldn't trigger a regency but mental incapacity would.
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Old 01-26-2011, 12:50 AM
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Thanks for all the information. I didn't think a regency could just "skip" over people but you never know. Beatrice as Regent though hmmm....
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Old 01-26-2011, 12:52 AM
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A Regent is the next adult, over 18, in the line of succession, which is why I said that those ahead of her would have to be dead (or all incapacitated mentally). It is an highly unlikely scenario but it is still a possibility.
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A Regent is the next adult, over 18, in the line of succession, which is why I said that those ahead of her would have to be dead (or all incapacitated mentally). It is an highly unlikely scenario but it is still a possibility.
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Old 02-23-2011, 02:45 PM
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I was wondering, if Charles takes away Harry's HRH or Harry's children, how would it work if Harry had to become King?
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Old 02-23-2011, 02:59 PM
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Would Charles be able to take away a HRH?
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Old 02-23-2011, 03:21 PM
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If he issued new LP's he could, if I remember rightly.
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Old 02-23-2011, 05:41 PM
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I was wondering, if Charles takes away Harry's HRH or Harry's children, how would it work if Harry had to become King?
I don't see why not. You don't need a title to be in the line of succession so presumably you don't need to have had a specific title to become monarch. If something happens to William before he has children, his titles pass to Harry anyway so he would get 'back' his HRH. In the morbid scenario that the Queen, Charles and William die at the same time, he automatically would become King and his children HRH. I don't think Charles would take away HRH from Harry. Maybe his children.
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Old 02-24-2011, 05:36 AM
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If he takes away Beatrice HRH's which is speculation atm, it would be only fair to take away Harry's.
But if Charles & William passed away, Harry would get the Duke of Cornwall titles etc.
Thank you for the answers.
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Old 02-24-2011, 05:47 AM
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If he takes away Beatrice HRH's which is speculation atm, it would be only fair to take away Harry's.
But if Charles & William passed away, Harry would get the Duke of Cornwall titles etc.
Thank you for the answers.
Not really, If/when Charles becomes King, Harry will be the son of a King, while Beatrice will still be the daughter of a Prince/Royal Duke.

The same would be if William wouldn't grand the HRH Prince(ss) title to the children of Prince Harry (In the unlikely event that William is the King before Harry has children) or if he removes the HRH Prince(ss) title of the children of Prince Harry after he becomes King.

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Old 02-24-2011, 07:59 AM
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Ahh well I think it would only be fair, of course this is all speculation.
Harry will eventually be pushed down to fourth and then fifth in line, and when William becomes King I could certainly see Harry stepping away from royal life.
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Old 02-24-2011, 08:12 AM
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I think the point is that Charles has indicated in the that he would like a smaller Royal Family. And as such he would like to reduce the HRH's (removing Beatrice and Eugenie's). If he does that to them as the children of the 2nd son of a sovereign, then when he (Charles) becomes King...it would make sense that Harry's children would also not have an HRH.

Personally, I don't think that will happen. The royal family will decrease as a lot of the HRH's (the Gloucesters, the Kents) will not continue to the next generation and Beatrice's and Eugenie's kids will also not be HRH's.

Basically, Charles isn't going to take away Beatrice and Eugenie's and than Harry's. Unless Harry of course, prefers it and then he can go away and live in Africa with Chelsy. Which I also don't think is going to happen.
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Charles can (when/if he becomes King at least) remove the titles. He can not change the order of sucession.
So it wouldn't make any difference at all for the possibility for or results of Harry become King.
UK only remove people from the order of sucession if they becomes or marry a Chatolic, unlike Sweden wher you are removed for being a non-Lutheran(or was that non-protestant), marrying without the Kings and Govermnet permission or being brought up outside of Sweden (not sure about the last I may have confused that with the Danish rules).
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The more progressive monarchies have different rules, the often-cited example is Princess Maxima of the Netherlands, who was given that title in her own right because Dutch law no longer allows for the wife of the Prince of Orange to be Princess of Orange. She is part of the Dutch nobility with the titles of Princess of the Netherlands and Princess of Orange-Nassau.
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Why doesn't the Dutch law allow Maxima to share her husband's title?
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Would Charles be able to take away a HRH?
As The Sovereign, yes. The style and rank of HRH Prince/Princess of the UK is within the gift of the Crown and can be granted or taken away at any time (unlike a Peerage).

The expectation is Charles will issue Letters Patent once he is King replacing the current 1917 criteria for who is granted the style and rank of HRH in the royal family by birth. In the future, royal rank is likely to be limited to the children of The Sovereign and the children of the heir to the throne (whether male or female). Male-line grandchildren would be Lord/Lady Windsor and the great-grandchildren of The Sovereign would be Mister or Miss Surname.

Beatrice and Eugenie would remain HRH for life as would anyone else currently holding the rank. While Charles could indeed remove their royal styles, I doubt he would do so.
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Old 05-08-2011, 02:39 AM
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Why doesn't the Dutch law allow Maxima to share her husband's title?
It's to designate the heir more clearly as the Dutch have equal primogeniture. Her daughter Amalia will be Princess of Orange in her own right, not because of marriage to the Prince of Orange. Does anyone know if Maxima will be Queen one day or, like her father-in-law continue as a princess?
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