Questions About [non-British] Styles and Titles

[Next Star]

Originally Posted by Warren

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Next Star, when you ask a question here about reigning and non-reigning Royal or Princely Houses, the assumption is that you are referring to those Houses recognised by the Gotha, and by our members, and the response you get will be in reference to those Houses. If your questions instead allude or refer to such persons as "Princess Kamorrisa de St.Cogo,Countess von zu Welle" (from your signature) you really should direct those questions to them as they do not form part of the recognised royal world.

As an aside, there are four search results for this supposed-princess found on Google; two appear to relate to posts made by you in these Forums, and the other two lead to the "Regal World Forums" consisting of two pages here and here. I note that the content of these pages and another concerning "an aspiring and upcoming urban model" has a remarkable similarity to your own writing style.

The multi-titled "Princess Kamorrisa de St.Cogo, Countess von zu Welle, previously known as Duchess von Coth Ind Savoy" is a patent nonsense and should not be raised in serious discussion in these Forums.

I know I should not have styled the princess that why in the first place nor mentioned
her because 1.She is not popular and not recongized by the royal world.
2.She is not European the Gotha to my knowledge only recongizes European royalty
and nobility.The other page has nothing to do with the princess and I will not raise too much talk
about her because of those two things that are mentioned above.Thank you for your point of
view though I humbly disagree.

[Next Star]

Originally Posted by Warren

Alternatively, the government of a principality can just declare itself a Kingdom, as the Emirate (or Sheikhdom) of Bahrain did in 2002. The Ruling Sheikh became a Ruling King at the stroke of a pen.

Just thinking about you said Warren that with the consitituation being changed for Baharain it went from an emirate to kingdom.
And then you mention Luxembourg they too can go from a grand duchy to a kingom but they would be kinda of sad because there
would no reigninng grand duchies left.Because Luxembourg is the last reigning duchy left in the world.

[MAfan]

But I guess that the other nations has to recognise a passage from a Principality to a kingdom, or from a Kingdom to an Empire...
When the Duchy of Savoy passed to Kingdom of Sardinia, it was due to the fact that the Holy Roman Empire recognised it as a kingdom...

[Next Star]

Monaco was a lordship but by King Louis 15 or 16 I forget switch one made them princes and it offically became a principality.

[DuedePhiladelphia]

Originally Posted by Next Star

Monaco was a lordship but by King Louis 15 or 16 I forget switch one made them princes and it offically became a principality.

I read that Spain was responsible for the Grimaldis princely status. They began as Lords then Prince thru Spain and then the Duchy Valentois title thru France.
Yes, they procured many other lesser titles thru diffrent marriages

[Next Star]

The information you read is highly incorrect not believe everything you read.I saw an interview with Prince Albert II of Monaco back in 2004 when he was the heir to the throne.He was on Larry King Live and he was by Larry how did his family recieve the title of prince.The prince
said that his family recieve the title from the king of France.

[yftyt2006]

As far as I know, if a Prince marries a common woman, she becomes known as a Princess. However, if a Princess marries a common man, is he granted a specific title? Please let me know. Thanks.

[whataboutboo]

The children are still His and Her Royal Highness Prince and Princess of Wessex though from a legal stand point that as

[Zonk]

From what I know, any children get their royal titles from their fathers unless special provisions are made. Thus the children of HRH The Princess Royal are Zara and Peter Phillips. The offer of a title was made to Princess Anne and Capt Mark Phillips but was declined by the couple. I believe the same example is with Princess Martha Louise of Norway.

Likewise the children of Charles, Andrew and Edward are automatically Prince and Princess though Edward's children are using titles from a lower rank.

This might differ from country to countr but I believe that its pretty much the same. Basically if a Princess marries a common man unless a decree is issued (i.e. the granddaughters of King Edward VII) or a title is given the children don't have titles.

[Lord Sosnowitz]

Originally Posted by yftyt2006

As far as I know, if a Prince marries a common woman, she becomes known as a Princess. However, if a Princess marries a common man, is he granted a specific title? Please let me know. Thanks.

Just in special cases, if she is a crown princess (The Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Henrik, the Late Prince Claus) or she is sovereign's daughter (this case is very rare) (Crown Princess Victoria husband-to-be, Princess Royal's first husband, Earl of Snowdon, Archduke Lorenz of Austria-Erste -> Prince of Belgium, Crown Princess of Roumania's husband ->Prince of Hohenzollern-Veringen, later Prince of Roumania, husbands of Spanish Infantas, ...)

[michelleq]

Has anyone in recent history elevated an HSH to a HRH? The only one that I can think of was from Luxembourg when I believe that a Grand Duchess married a Duke of Parma?

Correct me if I am wrong.

[acdc1]

Didn't Princess Caroline of Monaco?

[magnik]

For example:
HSH Prince Leoopold - HRH Prince Leopold - HM Kinf Leopold I King of the Belgians
HSH Prince Albert - few days before wedding with HM Queen Victoria became HRH
HSH Princess Victoria Mary Augusta - HRH Duchess of York - HM Queen Mary
HSH Princess Caroline of Monaco - HRH Princess Caroline of Hannover
HSH Princess Emma - HM Queen Emma

[principessa]

I asked me if the correct title of the Danish Queen is translated in German to "Königin von Dänemark" or "Königin zu Dänemark". Can someone help me?

Thank you.

principessa

[Zonk]

I believe you can only do so via marriage (as the examples above show) and with special permission of a sovereign or becoming a new soverign (Leopold).

I believe that one of Queen Victoria's son in laws was an HSH (Henry of Battenberg I believe). Victoria elevated him to an HRH so he was an HRH in the UK but elsewhere he was still an HSH.

[Catherine Helvin]

Originally Posted by yftyt2006

As far as I know, if a Prince marries a common woman, she becomes known as a Princess. However, if a Princess marries a common man, is he granted a specific title? Please let me know. Thanks.

This is at the discretion of the reigning monarch. For example, shortly before the birth of their first child in 1961, the Queen created Antony Armstrong-Jones the Earl of Snowdon but she didn't give a title to the husbands of Princesses Alexandra or Anne.

[MAfan]

If I don't mistake, the Queen offered to both Sir Angus Oglivy and Mark Phillips a comital title on their wedding day, but both them refused it.

[Sister Morphine]

Originally Posted by Catherine Helvin

This is at the discretion of the reigning monarch. For example, shortly before the birth of their first child in 1961, the Queen created Antony Armstrong-Jones the Earl of Snowdon but she didn't give a title to the husbands of Princesses Alexandra or Anne.

She offered their husbands earldoms, but they turned them down. So the offer was there, it was just declined.

[Sister Morphine]

Originally Posted by michelleq

Has anyone in recent history elevated an HSH to a HRH? The only one that I can think of was from Luxembourg when I believe that a Grand Duchess married a Duke of Parma?

Correct me if I am wrong.

Elevated through marriage or elevated because their family situations changed? Queen Alexandra was born HSH Princess Alexandra and became HRH Princess Alexandra when her father, the future Christian IX, became heir to the throne.

[Next Star]

Originally Posted by michelleq

Has anyone in recent history elevated an HSH to a HRH? The only one that I can think of was from Luxembourg when I believe that a Grand Duchess married a Duke of Parma?

Correct me if I am wrong.

michelleq late Grand Duchess Charolette of Luxembourg was always style as royal highness it was other members of the family that were styled serne highess and were upgraded royal highness through her marriage to the late Prince Felix of Bourbon-Parma.