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Old 06-03-2006, 06:42 PM
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Maybe it's in the context of Mathilde remaining a Royal widow (in the case of Philippe's premature death) to raise the children to adulthood without any distractions or complications.
thanks warren. i hadn't thought of that.
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Old 06-03-2006, 10:21 PM
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I believe that she would not remarry.

Do I remember correctly; that HM Queen Margrethe made Alexandra noble before her marriage? What title was she granted? Or was it another Royal House?
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Old 06-04-2006, 12:12 AM
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thanks warren. i hadn't thought of that.
You may like to remember probably the most long-lived Royal widow, that being Her late Majesty Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother - widowed for over 50 years. Even when suiters were knonw to have existed, Her Majesty remained ever devoted to the memory of the King, and to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.
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Old 06-04-2006, 04:35 AM
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I believe that she would not remarry.

Do I remember correctly; that HM Queen Margrethe made Alexandra noble before her marriage? What title was she granted? Or was it another Royal House?
Queen Margrethe made Alexandra a noble after the marriage failed. She is now HH Princess Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg. Should she remarry she would be Her Excellency the Countess of Frederiksborg. Or something like that.
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Old 06-04-2006, 08:23 AM
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Would she have been made a noble, if she hadn't become the mother of two princes?
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Old 06-04-2006, 08:33 AM
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Would she have been made a noble, if she hadn't become the mother of two princes?
No-one here can answer that. You'd have to ask Queen Margrethe and see if she would answer "what if?" scenarios. :)
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Old 06-04-2006, 10:31 AM
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You may like to remember probably the most long-lived Royal widow, that being Her late Majesty Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother - widowed for over 50 years. Even when suiters were knonw to have existed, Her Majesty remained ever devoted to the memory of the King, and to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.
that's true but i wonder if it was a matter of choice. we'll never know i guess.
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Old 06-04-2006, 12:29 PM
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that's true but i wonder if it was a matter of choice. we'll never know i guess.
I actually felt that she did not want to lose her "Position" as a Queen of Great Britain. She was very good at it. I had read that King Olav was interested in marrying her (I also read that he was very close to Princess Marina) but in Great Britain, many feel that theirs is the superior Monarchy.

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Old 06-04-2006, 01:55 PM
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No-one here can answer that. You'd have to ask Queen Margrethe and see if she would answer "what if?" scenarios. :)
Well, I believe, that if she hadn't gotten children with Joachim, she wouldn't have been held in as high esteem as she now is, when she has children with Joachim. As I understand it, Diana Spencer was given a special treatment too after her divorce from Prince Charles, because she was the mother of not only two princes, but even the mother of a future king of England.

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I actually felt that she did not want to lose her "Position" as a Queen of Great Britain. She was very good at it. I had read that King Olav was interested in marrying her (I also read that he was very close to Princess Marina) but in Great Britain, many feel that theirs is the superior Monarchy.

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That's interesting, king Olav (of Norway, I presume ) wanting to marry queen mother Elizabeth. Well, she was only three years older than him, so it could have worked...
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Princess in her own right

I've seen this on this forum a while ago. What exactly does it mean? Which of the current princesses were made Princess in her own right? Thanks.
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This means that the princess (maxima or Mathilde for example) is a princess with all the rights as if she ahd been born one.

So, for an example, should she divorce for whatever reason, her status is not tied to that of her husband, but belongs to her exclusively. For Maxima she is a Princess of the Netherlands, but should she (god forbid) divorce, she would lose the title Princess of Orange.

But, she will always be a princess of the Netherlands.

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Old 10-31-2006, 03:07 PM
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I've seen this on this forum a while ago. What exactly does it mean? Which of the current princesses were made Princess in her own right? Thanks.
A 'Princess in her own right' means that someone is elevated to the rank of a Princess. In my country (the Netherlands) this only happened to miss Máxima Zorreguieta Cerruti because of her special position as consort to the future Sovereign.

There are four Princesses in today's Netherlands Royal House:

Three by birth:
- HRH Princess Catharina-Amalia
- HRH Princess Alexia
- HRH Princess Margriet

One by elevation:
- HRH Princess Máxima

The other Dutch Princesses like Princess Mabel and Princess Laurentien did not acquire any title or nobility by marrying their spouses. They are only called a princess 'en titre coutreoisie', like the spouse of an Earl can call herself a Countess.
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F.ex. Mathilde 8 Nov 1999, Claire shortly before 1 April 2003, Maxima 25 Jan 2002.
Woman who marry a prince and during this ocassion by royal decree became princess in her own right. She has this title for the rest of her life not only the time as long as she a wife of a prince. She doesn't has courtesy title of princess by her husband. Like Laurentien or Mabel.
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Princess Alexandra (¿) I´m not sure.
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Thanks for the prompt responses! I thought that's what it meant. Did Maxima only get elevated because Willhelm is the future sovreign or because they love her in the Netherlands? Has this happened to Mary of Denmark since she is also married to a future sovreign? Thanks!
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Thanks for the prompt responses! I thought that's what it meant. Did Maxima only get elevated because Willhelm is the future sovreign or because they love her in the Netherlands? Has this happened to Mary of Denmark since she is also married to a future sovreign? Thanks!
It had nothing to do with Máxima's (un)popularity or so. It happened to former consorts to (future) Sovereigns as well:

Claus von Amsberg was elevated Prince of the Netherlands in 1966,
upon naturalization his own noble predicate was incorporated as 'Jonkheer van Amsberg'.
His sons Willem-Alexander, Friso, Constantijn are 'Jonkheer van Amsberg' via him.

Prince Bernhard zur Lippe-Biesterfeld was elevated Prince of the Netherlands in 1936,
upon naturalization his own noble title was incorporated as 'Prins van Lippe-Biesterfeld'.
His daughters Beatrix, Irene, Margriet and Christina are 'Princess of Lippe-Biesterfeld' via him.

Prince Heinrich, Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin was elevated Prince of the Netherlands in 1901,
upon naturalization his own noble title was incorporated as 'Hertog van Mecklenburg'.
His daughter Juliana was a Duchess of Mecklenburg via him.

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Thanks again. It will be interesting to see if it happens to Mary in a few years.
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Princess Alexandra (¿) I´m not sure.
Of Denmark?

On her birthday 16 April 2005 Queen Margrethe bestowed upon her former daughter-in-law the additional personal title grevinde af Frederiksborg (countess of Frederiksborg). [2] The title is personal (unlike the title of princess) and thus will not be revoked or become dormant if Princess Alexandra chooses to remarry. Like a life peerage in the United Kingdom, it will not be inherited by her children. The title Countess of Frederiksborg is given the rank of Class 1, which will entitle Princess Alexandra to the style of "Excellency" upon remarriage.
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If William (UK) were to marry right now, his wife would be elevated to Princess status, but if they were to divorce within the next few years, or God forbid, he were to pass away, his widow would lose her title of Princess???? What if by that time he were already the Prince of Wales..? Would the widow remain with the title The Dowager Princess of Wales...??? Just wondering....
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I don't think if his wife would would be elevated to Princess status she will has his name/title - Diana, Sarah, Sophie - no princess/duches/countess courtesy title.
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