Bowing and Curtseying


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:previous: Yes, just goes to show, if anyone royal newbies need lessons, CP Mette-Marit is the one to give it.
 
Yeah we don't do much curtseying here in the U.S.



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maria-olivia said:
Do you forget President Obama curtseying the Emperor of Japan ??
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He did not curtsey (= making a révérence). He made a nice bow. This is not specifically because he is Emperor: in Japan all people greet each other by making a deep bow.

President Obama, the Emperor and the Empress: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0128759fd303970c-600wi

Japanese gentlemen bowing: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/08/30/world/JAPAN/JAPAN-popup.jpg

Children bowing: http://www.japanfromshikoku.com/wp-...lass-elementary-school-tokyo-honshu-japan.jpg

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Darnius said:
The Crown Princess of Norway curtseyed to the King of Jordan.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IuhDrWGmp...s/s1600/Crown-Prince-Haakon-Mette-Marit-3.jpg
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It is funny. I do not especially like Mette-Marit, neither her style, I really consider that she is not regal at all. Nevertheless, when she curtsy, she is absolutely graceful, like if another person was doing it, she look really metamorphosed.
Furthermore, might be the Norwegian protocol, but I noticed MM curtsy very often, is it really normal to curtsy to President Obama, or in front of the Army (at the wedding of Guillaume and Stephanie)? I noticed the other CPss did not do so.
 
fandesacs2003 said:
It is funny. I do not especially like Mette-Marit, neither her style, I really consider that she is not regal at all. Nevertheless, when she curtsy, she is absolutely graceful, like if another person was doing it, she look really metamorphosed.
Furthermore, might be the Norwegian protocol, but I noticed MM curtsy very often, is it really normal to curtsy to President Obama, or in front of the Army (at the wedding of Guillaume and Stephanie)? I noticed the other CPss did not do so.
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The révérence was not in front of the army but in front of the regimental standard. All royals salute or make a nod with the head. Only Mette-Marit went down to her knees for a standard.

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Pic: an example of royals greeting a regimental standard: http://www.refdag.nl/polopoly_fs/vaandel_1_1_589840!image/2035877392.jpg
 
Curtsies for HRH Princess Sirindhorn of Thailand by (the Republic of) Botswana's professor who received an award.

http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx272/theodoredemaxx/22222_zpswtag1g3v.gif

http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx272/theodoredemaxx/33333_zpsvkgqaf52.gif

http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx272/theodoredemaxx/11111_zpshosmo64y.gif


BANGKOK, 23 October 2014 (NNT) - Her Royal Highness Princess Maha Chakri Sirindhorn on Wednesday (October 22) presided over the ceremony of presenting the Princess Srinagarindra Award 2014 to Prof. Dr. Shiela Dinotshe Tlou, at the Moon Satharn Borom Ard Throne Hall in the Grand Palace. - See more at: สำนักข่่าวแห่งชาติ : A nurse from Botswana honored with Princess Srinagarindra Award 2014
 
Duc_et_Pair said:
The révérence was not in front of the army but in front of the regimental standard. All royals salute or make a nod with the head. Only Mette-Marit went down to her knees for a standard.
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Yes, I've noticed that all royals bowed, ans only MM went down, but I do not know if it is the Norwegian protocol, or her own choice
 
The Japanese Imperial women are so graceful and elegant!:whistling:
 
tommy100 said:
I've only just realised how rare it is to see people curtsy to the Dutch King & Queen given that its not done in The Netherlands itself.
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In the video below, you can see Princess Diana and, I believe, Princess Anne curtsying to Queen Beatrix. Note that they don't curtsy to Prince Claus, who, being an HRH, is equal in rank to them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgFOxxKsZm8
 
BTW, I also found some old British Pathé footage of Queen Juliana's inauguration (incorrectly referred to in the video title as "coronation") and, as you can see, the congregation bows/curtsies both to Queen Juliana and to Princess (former Queen) Wilhelmina. I suppose it was only during Juliana's reign that curtsying was abandoned in the Netherlands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4Ukw383QRM


In case you are interested, there is also footage of Queen Juliana's 1950 visit to the UK where we see Princess Ellizabeth and Princess Margaret curtsying to the Dutch queen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw4YVrx0_QM
 
Mbruno said:
In the video below, you can see Princess Diana and, I believe, Princess Anne curtsying to Queen Beatrix. Note that they don't curtsy to Prince Claus, who, being an HRH, is equal in rank to them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgFOxxKsZm8
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Back in the old days there were several members of the royal family participating in the official welcoming of a State Visit. I don't know what happened to that.
 
Mbruno said:
In the video below, you can see Princess Diana and, I believe, Princess Anne curtsying to Queen Beatrix. Note that they don't curtsy to Prince Claus, who, being an HRH, is equal in rank to them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgFOxxKsZm8
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But shouldn't the consort of a monarch be it male or female share the rank of his/her partner?


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Nico said:
A complete Bowing/curtseying/kissing/Handshaking festival from 2012 :
... [snipped]
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Thanks for the video!
It was nice to see monarchs in a semi-private environment.
carlota said:
princess takamado, curtsying to queen maxima

http://ppe-agency.com/500px/Oct2014/PPE14103164.jpg

and to the king

http://ppe-agency.com/500px/Oct2014/PPE14103171.jpg

princess yoko, curtsying to queen maxima, and princess akiko, curtsying to king WA

http://ppe-agency.com/500px/Oct2014/PPE14103163.jpg
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Thanks for the photos!
Curtsies by Japanese Imperial Princesses are perfect.
 
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JR76 said:
But shouldn't the consort of a monarch be it male or female share the rank of his/her partner?


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In most countries, a wife takes the rank of her husband but the reverse isn't true so a husband doesn't take the rank of the wife.




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Mbruno said:
BTW, I also found some old British Pathé footage of Queen Juliana's inauguration (incorrectly referred to in the video title as "coronation") and, as you can see, the congregation bows/curtsies both to Queen Juliana and to Princess (former Queen) Wilhelmina. I suppose it was only during Juliana's reign that curtsying was abandoned in the Netherlands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4Ukw383QRM


In case you are interested, there is also footage of Queen Juliana's 1950 visit to the UK where we see Princess Ellizabeth and Princess Margaret curtsying to the Dutch queen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw4YVrx0_QM
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Princess Wilhelmina, Princess Juliana and Princess Beatrix, all of them reverted back to the style they held before their kingship. In protocol however all of them came directly after the monarch and had precedence before the underaged Heir. In the three Benelux monarchies the révérence is not observed so there is no visible difference between greeting Queen Máxima or Princess Beatrix.

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Skippyboo said:
In most countries, a wife takes the rank of her husband but the reverse isn't true so a husband doesn't take the rank of the wife.

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That is right ! The wife of a king becomes queen consort and takes her husband's rank, explaining why the Japanese princesses curtsied to Maxima.


If I am not mistaken, it was possible in the past for the husband of a reigning queen to take the title of "king consort" and the rank of "majesty". Philip II of Spain for example was made "king consort" of England in the reign of his wife, Mary I. Nowadays, however, the husband of a reigning queen is normally just a "prince consort" and takes therefore a lower rank, explaining why Princess Diana for example didn't curtsy to Prince Claus.

In another video below of Queen Beatrix's state visit to Spain, once again you see Infanta Elena and Infanta Cristina curtsying to Queen Beatrix, but not to Prince Claus (around 3:20 and also around 6:10).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y40vlEEpH8s
 
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Mbruno said:
That is right ! The wife of a king becomes queen consort and takes her husband's rank, explaining why the Japanese princesses curtsied to Maxima.


If I am not mistaken, it was possible in the past for the husband of a reigning queen to take the title of "king consort" and the rank of "majesty". Philip II of Spain for example was made "king consort" of England in the reign of his wife, Mary I. Nowadays, however, the husband of a reigning queen is normally just a "prince consort" and takes therefore a lower rank, explaining why Princess Diana for example didn't curtsy to Prince Claus.

In another video below of Queen Beatrix's state visit to Spain, once again you see Infanta Elena and Infanta Cristina curtsying to Queen Beatrix, but not to Prince Claus (around 3:20 and also around 6:10).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y40vlEEpH8s
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It is curious to see BTW that Queen Beatrix around 7:30 delivers her dinner speech in French, one of the languages she is fluent in along with English, German and, of course, Dutch. Usually, in most state visits, the Queen normally spoke in English, but maybe she assumed French would be closer to Spanish.
 
Since male consort are afforded no precedence in Britain it must be assigned by the reigning Queen. During Victoria's reign there was talk of her wanting Parliament to create Albert 'King Consort' but the government for a variety of reasons shot down the idea.

The advice of her ministers was if Parliament could make a King then Parliament could 'unmake' a King and this wasn't a road Queen Victoria wanted to go down for obvious reasons.

She later settled on Prince Consort.
 
Back in August, there was much discussion about Kate and William ignoring King Felipe at the Belgium WWI Commemoration Ceremony. I recently found a photo of William and King Felipe before the ceremony started. So William and Kate had already spoken to him before they got on stage.

Sorry I can't link the photo directly, you'll have to scroll down through the photos.

Archbishop Richard Clarke: 'War Must Always Represent Abject Failure Of Humanity'
 
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soapstar said:
Back in August, there was much discussion about Kate and William ignoring King Felipe at the Belgium WWI Commemoration Ceremony. I recently found a photo of William and King Felipe before the ceremony started. So William and Kate had already spoken to him before they got on stage.

Sorry I can't link the photo directly, you'll have to scroll down through the photos,

Archbishop Richard Clarke: 'War Must Always Represent Abject Failure Of Humanity'
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Thank you for directing me over here, Soapstar. :flowers: I see now. :p
 
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