The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #1501  
Old 03-25-2013, 04:36 PM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Rio de Janeiro and Petrópolis, Brazil
Posts: 1,124
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ish View Post
Royalty is not royalty depending on whether or not they have a throne. Former royals who do not have thrones are pretenders to a throne. The BRF does a lot in continuing to recognize monarchs who were once on a throne that no longer exists, but has no obligation to do so for someone who succeeded to the head of a house that no longer exists - especially if it's contested within that house that they even hold that position.

It is one thing for the second in line to the British throne to bow to a king who was forced to abdicate. It is another thing for him to now to a pretender who never legally held the title, or a pretender who never legally held a title and is disputed as to whether or not he or she would hold that title if it still legally existed.

There is a huge difference between the Cambridges bowing and curtsying to Michael I of Romania and Maria Vladimirovna or Nicholas Romanov.

A Royal House doesn't cease to exist just because the Monarchy is overthrown, and the Head of a Royal House has to be respect for his position.

And Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna is always invited for Royal weddings and celebrations, so, in my opinion, the other Royals recognize her as the Head of the Russian Imperial House. We never see Nicholas Romanoff in such events.

And no one is ever forced to bow or curtsey, it's a matter of respect and tradition.
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1502  
Old 03-25-2013, 05:15 PM
Artemisia's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Yerevan, Armenia
Posts: 5,425
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrazilianEmpire View Post
So, that means that the Duke of Cambridge would bow to the Duke of Braganza, to Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna, to Prince Luiz, or to any other Head of a Royal House?
On official or state events, the Duke of Cambridge will bow to all foreign royals who hold higher rank than him. That includes both reigning and non-reigning royals such as Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna (a generally acknowledged head of the House of Romanov) and Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden (an Heiress Apparent to a Throne).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Osipi View Post
I would imagine that it would depend on whether or not the Royal House were actually reigning?
Actually, from the perspective of the royals, it matters little whether a royal is from a reigning or non-reigning House. For instance, the Duchess of Cambridge curtseyed to Crown Princess Margareta of Romania and Queen Margarita of Bulgaria - both representatives of currently non-reigning royal houses.


Although bowing or curtseying is entirely upon the will of an individual, most royals (both from reigning and non-reigning houses) choose to show respect for their foreign counterparts by doing so on official and/or state events. On more relaxed (unofficial or semi-official) events, they may bow or curtsey only to the Monarch, his/her consort, and possibly to the Heir(ess) Apparent and his/her consort. Usually, respect is also shown towards royals of advanced age, regardless of their ranking (unless they are very minor royals).
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #1503  
Old 03-25-2013, 05:32 PM
Ish's Avatar
Ish Ish is offline
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 2,170
Thank you, Artemisia for clearing this all up.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1504  
Old 03-25-2013, 06:37 PM
AdmirerUS's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 2,526
Yes Artemisia, good manners and good taste always should prevail. And if not, well then you have to ask if you care about that person's opinion anyway?
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1505  
Old 03-31-2013, 09:11 PM
Gentry
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Bandung, Indonesia
Posts: 68
Sophie, Countess of Wessex, turns heads with her skin-tight skirt as she attends Easter service at Windsor... That £860 Easter bonnet helped, too! | Mail Online

Scroll down, find the video. You can see two cute curtseys for Her Majesty. =)
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1506  
Old 03-31-2013, 09:13 PM
Artemisia's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Yerevan, Armenia
Posts: 5,425

Those twin girls were quite adorable. Lovely curtseys too.
Reply With Quote
  #1507  
Old 04-01-2013, 12:44 AM
Nobility
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Hamilton, Canada
Posts: 465
Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemisia

Those twin girls were quite adorable. Lovely curtseys too.
In your opinion, what is the right age for young children to be taught to bow/curtsy? I know in the olden days it was taught in school.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1508  
Old 04-01-2013, 02:40 AM
Gentry
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Bandung, Indonesia
Posts: 68
I have a question: who is the lady with brown coat who take the flowers from Her Majesty in the video? Is that Richenda Elton, Baroness Elton? Thanks for answering. =)
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1509  
Old 04-01-2013, 03:12 AM
Nice Nofret's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Zürich, Switzerland
Posts: 395
Quote:
Originally Posted by sarahedwards2 View Post
In your opinion, what is the right age for young children to be taught to bow/curtsy? I know in the olden days it was taught in school.
.. as soon as they can walk...
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1510  
Old 04-01-2013, 07:07 AM
Artemisia's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Yerevan, Armenia
Posts: 5,425
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darnius View Post
I have a question: who is the lady with brown coat who take the flowers from Her Majesty in the video? Is that Richenda Elton, Baroness Elton? Thanks for answering. =)
No, I am afraid that is not the Baroness Elton. The woman in the video is Lady Susan Hussey, Baroness Hussey of North Bradley (the wife of Marmaduke Hussey, Baron Hussey of North Bradley) - the Queen's Woman of the Bedchamber.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sarahedwards2 View Post
In your opinion, what is the right age for young children to be taught to bow/curtsy? I know in the olden days it was taught in school.
To be entirely honest, I am not certain bowing or curtseying is necessary to be taught to children of any age. If there is a possibility of meeting the Sovereign or other senior members of the Royal Family, I am sure they'll master how to do it fairly quickly. But otherwise, I don't really see why would it be necessary to teach children bowing or curtseying at all.

Of course, I don't live in a Monarchy so perhaps my opinion is not very relevant.
Reply With Quote
  #1511  
Old 04-01-2013, 07:27 AM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: NN, Lithuania
Posts: 666
Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemisia View Post
No, I am afraid that is not the Baroness Elton. The woman in the video is Lady Susan Hussey, Baroness Hussey of North Bradley (the wife of Marmaduke Hussey, Baron Hussey of North Bradley) - the Queen's Woman of the Bedchamber.
This is Lady Susan Hussey:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7...btf2o1_500.jpg

The woman in the video is somebody else.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1512  
Old 04-01-2013, 08:08 AM
Artemisia's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Yerevan, Armenia
Posts: 5,425
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spheno View Post
This is Lady Susan Hussey:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7...btf2o1_500.jpg

The woman in the video is somebody else.
Here is a good picture of Lady Susan and the woman in brown coat from the video.
They have similar features although I can't say with absolutely certainty they are the same person. She doesn't look like Baroness Elton to me though.
Reply With Quote
  #1513  
Old 04-01-2013, 08:25 AM
Dman's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 6,755
No, she's another lady in waiting. She's not Lady Susan Hussey nor Richenda.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1514  
Old 04-01-2013, 08:34 AM
Artemisia's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Yerevan, Armenia
Posts: 5,425

Do you have any idea who? I am 100% certain it's not Ann Fortune Fitzroy, Duchess of Grafton. Doesn't look like Diana Maxwell, Baroness Farnham or Mrs Philippa De Pass either.

Could it be Virginia Ogilvy, Countess of Airlie? I find that a bit doubtful though because the Countess usually attends major events only with the Queen such as state or official visits, banquets, but is very rarely (if ever) present on daily engagements. You can see Virginia Ogilvy in the video below (about 0:20 to 0:23) but unfortunately the quality of the video is abysmal.

Reply With Quote
  #1515  
Old 04-01-2013, 07:26 PM
Gentry
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Bandung, Indonesia
Posts: 68
Yes, she is the Countess of Airlie who accompanied the Queen to Virginia in May 2007. =)
.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1516  
Old 04-05-2013, 09:24 AM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Paysandu, Uruguay
Posts: 1
Indeed. She's my favorite secondary character of the series.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1517  
Old 04-05-2013, 05:29 PM
An Ard Ri's Avatar
Super Moderator
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Westmeath, Ireland
Posts: 8,912
Nice curtsey from Infanta Pilar of Spain to her sister in law The Queen at the 33rd second!

__________________
Death of HSH Princess Grace of Monaco,September 14, 1982
Reply With Quote
  #1518  
Old 04-05-2013, 10:56 PM
Gentry
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Bandung, Indonesia
Posts: 68
A curtsey from Carey Mulligan to Her Majesty. =)

i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/05/article-2304153-1918B78E000005DC-613_634x444.jpg
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1519  
Old 04-08-2013, 10:55 PM
Gentry
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Bandung, Indonesia
Posts: 68
I always thought the late Baroness Thatcher's curtsey is very respectful.

73630561_zpsa0164bee.jpg Photo by fontainhas | Photobucket
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #1520  
Old 04-09-2013, 09:10 AM
vkrish's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 842
Indeed..I will try to find some more good pics and vids of her curtsies..
Meanwhile I have a point to make..
Sometimes the monarch (or whoever receives curtsey) rushes to kiss that person even before she completes her curtsey. I feel they have to wait till the person completely gets up and then go for a kiss..
http://204.75.12.232/images/RRV/RRV07471.jpg
This is a pic I got from "Mixed Royals" forumm..Particularly uncomfortable and awkward for that Swedish Princess..
__________________

__________________
The only word I hate in the Royal Dictionary - ABDICATION
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





Additional Links
Popular Tags
abdication birth charlene crown prince felipe crown prince frederik crown prince haakon crown princess letizia crown princess mary crown princess mette-marit duchess of cambridge dutch royal history engagement fashion genealogy grand duchess maria teresa grand duke henri habsburg hohenzollern infanta elena infanta leonor infanta sofia jewellery jordan king abdullah ii king carl xvi gustav king constantine ii king felipe king felipe vi king harald king juan carlos king philippe king willem-alexander luxembourg nobility olympic games ottoman picture of the month pom prince albert prince albert ii prince carl philip prince felipe prince floris prince maurits prince pieter-christiaan princess anita princess astrid princess beatrix princess charlene princess letizia princess mabel princess madeleine princess marilene princess mary queen anne-marie queen letizia queen mathilde queen maxima queen rania queen silvia queen sofia royal royal fashion russia sofia hellqvist spain state visit visit wedding winter olympics 2014



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:44 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014
Jelsoft Enterprises

Royal News Delivered to your Email!

You can get the latest Royal News right in your inbox.

unsusbcribe at anytime with one click

Close [X]