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Old 12-04-2008, 11:15 PM
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Hello Everyone,

I am quite confused here....
As I understood it, The Queen has placed Anne and Alexandra ahead of everyone else as they are both born princesses. I'm not sure about Beatrice and Eugenie though.
Why would the Princess Royal curtsey to Camilla, a mere Duchess? Even if she is married to the Prince of Wales, she chose to be known as 'Duchess of Conwall'; and so my question is: "If Anne is 'the arbitor of all things correct', why would she do that?"....

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Old 12-04-2008, 11:20 PM
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Camilla isn't a "mere Duchess." She is a princess as well. In fact, she is a peeress and Anne is not, so I would say that Princess + Duchess is greater than Princess (leaving aside the official precedence, where it really doesn't matter what one's title is, just who one is or is married to).

I also think that the placement of Anne and Alexandra ahead of everyone else was a more informal family precedence that seems to be based more on length of doing royal duties than anything else.

Although I'm not totally convinced it was a curtsey yet, either.
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Old 12-04-2008, 11:35 PM
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There are currently two orders of precedence in the United Kingdom. One public and one private. After Camilla and Charles were married, the Queen changed the rules and declared that officially and publicly, Camilla ranked second, and privately Anne and Alexandra ranked above her.

So at a public function like Royal Ascot, precedence dictates that The Princess Royal curtsies to the title holder of The Princess of Wales. However, in private, The Princess Anne would not curtsey to The Duchess of Cornwall.
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Old 12-05-2008, 01:16 AM
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Why Marg, are you suggesting that The Princess Royal was curtseying to Camilla's rank not Camilla?
Not at all, just that those who get their knickers in a knot about Camilla need to know that either way Princess Ann would have "done the right thing", and make it totally unambiguous. No bones about it!
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Also, I am curious, where exactly is it written in the Magna Carta that the Princess Royal 'is the arbiter of all things correct'.
Wow! Watch out for those knickers . . . in this case I am referring to Princess Ann the person. Where do you think Zara Phillips knowledge of the correct time and place to curtsey, shared earlier in this thread, came from? One classy lady to anther.
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Old 12-05-2008, 11:59 AM
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Hi Everyone,

Thank you for clearing all that up....
I had no idea that there were both public & private orders of precedence..
I guess Anne and Camilla know what they're doing, so I'll stay out of it!

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Old 12-05-2008, 12:12 PM
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Hi Everyone,

Thank you for clearing all that up....
I had no idea that there were both public & private orders of precedence..
I guess Anne and Camilla know what they're doing, so I'll stay out of it!

Larry
I agree -- the Queen taught her only daughter well and in turn the daughter taught her daughter. No matter what others think, the Queen is always correct on these "orders".
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Old 12-15-2008, 09:58 AM
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Danish Royal family at the annual Royal Christmas Ballet. 14 12 2008
Princess Marie curtseying to Queen Margrethe and Prince Henrik.
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Old 12-15-2008, 06:22 PM
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Marie looks sooo awkward. I would hate to go to all that trouble and have no one (seemingly) take any notice.
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Old 12-15-2008, 06:33 PM
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Poor.
She've done it too deep. Few pratcicing and will be better.

But thanks to this we can see her tummy.
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:30 PM
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Is there a video of princess marie curtseying to queen margrethe in this event??
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Old 12-16-2008, 04:15 AM
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She did go too deep, but she's got years to perfect it
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Old 12-16-2008, 04:51 AM
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Old 12-16-2008, 06:26 PM
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marie's curtsy was indeed quite weird. it looked like clinging onto the queen and henrik and it was way too low. i guess she just needs a bit more practising to look a bit more natural and not so forced.
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Remember back to Mary's curtsies when she was engaged they were awful as well and she always seemed to grab at the recipient's waist, perhaps the Danish princesses need lessons form someone other than their husbands
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Old 12-19-2008, 08:31 PM
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Danish Royal family at the annual Royal Christmas Ballet. 14 12 2008
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Goodness i actually thought poor Marie had stumbled and the Queen was catching her but they tend in Denmark to grab onto the royal in question that they curtseying to Mary does it as well. It is very similar in Spain were they also perform a deep curtsey but with abit less of the grap on for dear life hold
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Old 12-19-2008, 09:12 PM
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I also thought that it looked awkward when Marie grabbed on to the queen. When I first saw the photo, I actually thought that she was falling.
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Old 12-21-2008, 05:08 AM
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You can't judge what may have been a fluid movement from one split-second frame of a photograph.
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What kinda of curtsey is that? I don't understand it but atleast she respects the queen's postion by doing this acton everytime.
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Hi!!!
I found a video of princess letizia curtseying to queen beatrix in youtube, but i dont know how to post it!!! Help!!

Thank you!!!!
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Sorry Jacknch and Scooter. 4:08 It looks like a duck. It walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck! By jove, I do believe it is a duck or, or more precisely, a curtsey!

Regardless of your personal disbelief, you really are seeing what your think you can't be seeing.

The Princess Royal is not called royal for nothing! She is the arbitor of all things correct and on this occasion I believe she was making an unequivocal personal statement.

Like those in the military, you pay compliments to the rank (in this case Crown Princess) or the Queen's Commission held, not the person holding it!
I stand corrected! I was about to send the tape off to forensic detectives to see what they make of it! I think the fact that Anne took a few moments before she actually curtseyed and bobbed down with no bend of the neck makes it look less of a curtsey than a curtsey should.
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