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Old 07-07-2019, 02:21 PM
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I've been part of a discussion about the pic on Instagram. While it's only speculation I wonder if Haya's curtsey is either due to the fact that as a Second wife she's not afforded the same rank as a Princess consort or that since Dubai is part of the UAE her husband isn't seen as equal to a European HRH.
It could also be that she has a traditional view of rank - in discussions on Instagram I've seen members of royal families claim that any HSH should curtsey to an HRH which goes against what many of us instinctively feel that all heads of state are alike.
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Old 07-07-2019, 04:55 PM
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Can someone explain why Princess Haya courtseys to prjnce Charles?
They are both kids of King /Queen, and princess Haya is at this moment wife of a ruling prince. She should not curtsey imoAttachment 301796
A similar thing happened when Harry and Meghan visited Tonga and the Princess who welcomed them at the airport curtsied to them. Why???
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Old 07-07-2019, 05:27 PM
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I've been part of a discussion about the pic on Instagram. While it's only speculation I wonder if Haya's curtsey is either due to the fact that as a Second wife she's not afforded the same rank as a Princess consort or that since Dubai is part of the UAE her husband isn't seen as equal to a European HRH.
It could also be that she has a traditional view of rank - in discussions on Instagram I've seen members of royal families claim that any HSH should curtsey to an HRH which goes against what many of us instinctively feel that all heads of state are alike.



Yes, there is a line of thought that sovereign princes (HSHs) and sovereign grand dukes (HRHs) should bow to kings and queens.
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Old 07-07-2019, 06:04 PM
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Right Folks Who could answer this for me.

When William becomes Prince of Wales, will Harry need to bow to him.
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Old 07-07-2019, 07:00 PM
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Right Folks Who could answer this for me.

When William becomes Prince of Wales, will Harry need to bow to him.
No. The royals really don’t curtsy and bow to each other. They curtsy and bow to the Monarch.
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Old 07-07-2019, 07:38 PM
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Right Folks Who could answer this for me.

When William becomes Prince of Wales, will Harry need to bow to him.
Currently, Charles is the Prince of Wales and
I don't see his siblings, or his children, bowing to him. So no.
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Old 07-07-2019, 07:45 PM
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Currently, Charles is the Prince of Wales and
I don't see his siblings, or his children, bowing to him. So no.
There are film footage from a private garden party held at Clarence House for the Queen Mother's 101st birthday. Zara Tindall hugs Prince Charles but doesn't curtsey. Everyone curtseys to the Queen and the Queen Mother, but not to anyone else.
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Old 07-07-2019, 07:48 PM
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There are film footage from a private garden party held at Clarence House for the Queen Mother's 101st birthday. Zara Tindall hugs Prince Charles but doesn't curtsey. Everyone curtseys to the Queen and the Queen Mother, but not to anyone else.
They didn't need to bow to the QueenMother, she was not the Monarchy, if they did it was probably out of respect. The QueenMother bows to the Queen.
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Old 07-07-2019, 08:03 PM
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They didn't need to bow to the QueenMother, she was not the Monarchy, if they did it was probably out of respect. The QueenMother bows to the Queen.
Exceptions are generally made for consorts. I’ve seen footage of members of BRF curtsy to Prince Philip.
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Old 07-07-2019, 08:10 PM
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They didn't need to bow to the QueenMother, she was not the Monarchy, if they did it was probably out of respect. The QueenMother bows to the Queen.

It is customary and proper to curtsy to queens dowager.
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Old 07-07-2019, 08:17 PM
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They didn't need to bow to the QueenMother, she was not the Monarchy, if they did it was probably out of respect. The QueenMother bows to the Queen.
Once a queen always a queen. It's correct to curtsy to the widow/er of a monarch.
The Queen Mother probably only curtsied once when she first met her daughter after she ascended the throne. As did her grandmother Queen Mary, who when Queen Elizabeth came to visit her at Marlborough house at first curtsied and then said "Lilibeth, your skirt is to short for mourning"
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Old 07-07-2019, 08:47 PM
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I wonder what the reaction would be if someone performed a perfectly-executed Texas dip upon meeting a monarch. I am fairly sure that would be seen as way too much, but I'm not 100% certain.
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Old 07-08-2019, 03:47 AM
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What is a Texas dip?
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Old 07-08-2019, 04:59 AM
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A similar thing happened when Harry and Meghan visited Tonga and the Princess who welcomed them at the airport curtsied to them. Why???

They were there in Place of the Queen who is the official head of the Commonwealth.


Bowing and Courtseys are done:


out of respect:
- for the age of a person
- for their achievments
- out of pure respect
- for the position they represent.


In some contries it is still custom, that elder people are treated with loads of respect. Or anyone who is higher in the social order; Children to their parents.
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Old 07-08-2019, 06:53 AM
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Hmmm...good question. It was perhaps just simple courtesy because they are of the same rank.

She was not obliged to curtsey to Charles.
She did it out of respect for elders.
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Old 07-08-2019, 07:18 AM
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What is a Texas dip?
The Texas dip is a form of elaborate curtsey and prostration performed in Texas during debutante balls. It involves the woman extending her arms completely to either side and lowering herself fully so that one knee touches the floor while simultaneously bowing her head to the side so that her left ear touches her lap.

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Old 07-08-2019, 08:44 AM
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The way Lady Thatcher used to do it.
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Old 07-08-2019, 11:28 AM
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The way Lady Thatcher used to do it.


Were Margaret Thatcher’s curtsies to the Queen really that elaborate? Does anyone have any video clips?
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Old 07-08-2019, 11:50 AM
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I remember seeing a video of it. It was something else...that's the most charitable way I can describe it.
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Old 07-08-2019, 12:18 PM
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Oh dear. That is quite a deep curtsey. Reminds me of the curtseys in the Sisi-films.
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