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Old 01-14-2018, 12:30 AM
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That lady was the Speaker of the Second Chamber passing by while the Prime Minister was telephoning behind the coulisses. He saw the Speaker coming and -while continuing the telephone call- popped out of the coulisses and greeted her with a handkiss.
Amusing! Never pass up an opportunity, I guess.
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I think Mrs. Chirac, or other heads of state and their spouses, shouldn't bow/curtsy to other monarchs......but after all it's all about individual choice.
The former Premičre Dame, Madame Bernadette Chirac was just gallant. And.... her parents were a Chodron de Courcel (barons) and a Brondeau d'Urtičres (comtes), belonging to the French aristocracy.

That is not so unusual. Another still living Premičre Dame belongs to the nobility as well: Madame Anne-Aymone Giscard d'Estaing. Her parents were a Sauvage de Brantčs (marquises) and De Faucigny-Lucinge (princes).

Let us say: greeting the oldfashioned way is part of their milieu.
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Old 01-14-2018, 08:00 AM
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Indeed , but when the Noble Ladies of this Generation will pass away , it will be the end of courtsey.

The new Monarchs are modern people, married communors and I think for exemple that King Frederick and Queen Mary, Queen Victoria and Prince Daniel , King Charles and Queen Camilla will do it on a more simple and economic way.
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The former Premičre Dame, Madame Bernadette Chirac was just gallant. And.... her parents were a Chodron de Courcel (barons) and a Brondeau d'Urtičres (comtes), belonging to the French aristocracy.

That is not so unusual. Another still living Premičre Dame belongs to the nobility as well: Madame Anne-Aymone Giscard d'Estaing. Her parents were a Sauvage de Brantčs (marquises) and De Faucigny-Lucinge (princes).

Let us say: greeting the oldfashioned way is part of their milieu.
I don't know they are aristocrats! Thanks for the information Duc_et_Pair.
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Old 01-14-2018, 11:13 AM
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I don't know they are aristocrats! Thanks for the information Duc_et_Pair.
Wasn't Giscard d'Estaing himself also from the French nobility ?
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Old 01-14-2018, 11:32 AM
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I don't know they are aristocrats! Thanks for the information Duc_et_Pair.
Even the former president Nicolas Sarkozy is an aristocrat. His father was Pál István Ernő Sárközy de Nagy-Bócsa. The Sárközys were elevated to the untitled nobility of Hungary on 10 September 1628. The family possessed an estate in the village of Alattyán, near Szolnok. Pál Sárközy’s father and grandfather held elective offices in the town of Szolnok. When the Red Army entered Hungary in 1944, the Sárközy family fled to Germany and later they settled in Paris. Their Hungarian estate was completely demolished. Nicolas Sarkozy was born in the French capital on the 28th of January 1955.
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That lady was the Speaker of the Second Chamber passing by while the Prime Minister was telephoning behind the coulisses. He saw the Speaker coming and -while continuing the telephone call- popped out of the coulisses and greeted her with a handkiss.
Doesn't grabbing a lady's hand and twisting her around destroy the gallantry of it all?
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The Old nobililties and new nobllities of the Presidents of France are out of topic.
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Doesn't grabbing a lady's hand and twisting her around destroy the gallantry of it all?
Yes. Isn't it an odd picture? Strange impression conveyed: talking on the phone while doing so, no less. Was it that important to make a political moment? Looks a bit compulsive. Then, too, they both could have been laughing. Might have been an in-joke. We'll never know.
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I was just reading about the Queen's coronation and her curtsey to the people. I found it in this video at 6:28. Apologies if this has been shared before; I was really curious to see what this looked like!
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I was just reading about the Queen's coronation and her curtsey to the people. I found it in this video at 6:28. Apologies if this has been shared before; I was really curious to see what this looked like!
Not an impressive curtsy, given the deep ones I've seen on this thread. Almost perfunctory, not so?
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Almost perfunctory, not so?
It is more of a 'receptive acknowledgement' of a curtsey, as distinct from an obeisance of a curtsey.
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I purposefully posted it to show it as en exemplar of an acceptable curtsey in the UK. It's a great illustration of the practice back in the day when it meant something profound on a day when it was most profound.

I personally believe HM is far less into the depth of the curtsey than many of us here appear to want her to be.

I also think the standard differs by country and by individual (both giver and receiver of the honor). It is very different across Europe.

I also believe that there have been very deep curtesies in the past which were intended by the giver as a way to draw attention to themselves, rather to mostly give honor to the recipient. I'm a bit cynical that way.

But I now know absolutely, how I would curtsey to Elizabeth II and I am quite certain, she would be sanguine about my effort!
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Considering the weight of all the ceremonial robes and the crown, I'm impressed that the Queen was able to pull off any kind of a curtsy at all. That had to play a big part in just how low of a curtsy she could do at the time.
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Considering the weight of all the ceremonial robes and the crown, I'm impressed that the Queen was able to pull off any kind of a curtsy at all. That had to play a big part in just how low of a curtsy she could do at the time.
It's a shadow of curtsies that are being shown here on this thread. In fact, it's unclear to me what she is actually doing. Is she leaning back on one leg? It was not a 'going down'. Not really. I would be interested to see any curtsy she has given when she was princess (and not Queen). Anyone have that handy?

A real curtsey seems to be a direct down and up. That's not what she did. She did bow her head very clearly.

At 2:40 the curtsey is demonstrated.
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It's a shadow of curtsies that are being shown here on this thread. In fact, it's unclear to me what she is actually doing. Is she leaning back on one leg? It was not a 'going down'. Not really. I would be interested to see any curtsy she has given when she was princess (and not Queen). Anyone have that handy?
Here you are.

1:45 to Q Juliana,
1:28 to K Haakon, and another photo
0:38 to Q Ingrid

Unfortunately none of these video/photo shows her both legs. (I think she had curtsied to her parent in her wedding? but I can't find any photo)

Bowing is not always necessary? They sometimes just keep talking while curtsying .
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Thank you, W.Y.CII. In one instance the down and up was very clear (and very, very fast), nothing like what she did at her coronation (imo). Interesting. I don't think she's a fan of the curtsy, at least for herself.
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As I said Lady Nimue, HMQ's curtsey at her Coronation was an 'acknowledgement' to the assembled company, and intended as such, not an obeisance, since she outranked every single person in the Abbey that day.
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Thanks you so much.
Princess Elisabeth courtseys Queen Juliana, King Haakon and the King and Queen of denmark.
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To the ladies (Juliana and Ingrid): a kis and then the knees down.
To the gentlemen (Haakon and Frederik): the knees down only.

These days we can see that the gentlemen are also kissed.

King Felipe

And King Willem-Alexander:

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