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Old 01-11-2018, 09:18 PM
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The rules for bowing and curtseys seem to go all over the place when lots of royals are together. I think it comes down to Majesties for the ladies but I have also seen Princesses curtsying to CP Victoria and, since they are all friends, I believe it is a personal respect thing. Men just confuse the issue when they start kissing hands!
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Old 01-12-2018, 01:36 AM
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The rules for bowing and curtseys seem to go all over the place when lots of royals are together. I think it comes down to Majesties for the ladies but I have also seen Princesses curtsying to CP Victoria and, since they are all friends, I believe it is a personal respect thing. Men just confuse the issue when they start kissing hands!
The men have too many things to do to greet a lady, bowing/kissing hand/shaking hand/kissing cheek/saluting, while the ladies usually only shake hand, kiss cheek and then curtsy.
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Old 01-12-2018, 04:49 PM
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Bernadette Chirac, the wife of President Jacques Chirac of France, curtsied to Queen Elizabeth II at the Entente Cordiale Celebrations.
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Old 01-13-2018, 12:39 AM
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Bernadette Chirac, the wife of President Jacques Chirac of France, curtsied to Queen Elizabeth II at the Entente Cordiale Celebrations.
http://www.gettyimages.com/license/52116193
I think Mrs. Chirac, or other heads of state and their spouses, shouldn't bow/curtsy to other monarchs......but after all it's all about individual choice.
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Old 01-13-2018, 06:38 AM
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At the Belgian State Visit in Denmark no Belgian Minister bow for Queen Margarethe. It is out of use in Belgium .
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:09 AM
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It is just gallantry. The bowing, the révérence. As long as it is voluntarily and never an obligation. It is like the "oldfashioned" handkiss. A very private choice to do so. Even by people who are really not "oldfashioned".

Princess Laurentien of the Netherlands receives a handkiss

Princess Madeleine of Sweden receives a handkiss

Doña Letizia receives a handkiss from the Duke of Savoy


Dutch Prime Minister Rutte gives a handkiss 1


Dutch Prime Minister Rutte gives a handkiss 2


Dutch Prime Minister Rutte gives a handkiss 3

The Prince of Wales gives a handkiss
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Old 01-13-2018, 09:14 AM
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At the Belgian State Visit in Denmark no Belgian Minister bow for Queen Margarethe. It is out of use in Belgium .
Which was very rude on their part considering that all princes and princesses of Denmark (except Frederik apparently), all Danish courtiers, and even some ordinary Danes on the street bowed/curtsied to Queen Mathilde !
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Old 01-13-2018, 09:48 AM
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No, they are not obligated to bow/curtsy so it's not rude at all. Like what maria-olivia said, Belgium doesn't have a strong tradition of bow/curtsy, the government officials also don't bow/curtsy to their royals (I remember their PM doesn't bow to Phillipe and Mathilde, just handshakes). Every country has different customs .
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Old 01-13-2018, 11:16 AM
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In the Netherlands the same. The ministers handle the King with all égards, they dress up to the dresscode, it is Your Majesty before and Your Majesty after, but a bow, no. In this video you can see the ministers meeting the King. All respectful anyway.

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Old 01-13-2018, 11:38 AM
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No, they are not obligated to bow/curtsy so it's not rude at all. Like what maria-olivia said, Belgium doesn't have a strong tradition of bow/curtsy, the government officials also don't bow/curtsy to their royals (I remember their PM doesn't bow to Phillipe and Mathilde, just handshakes). Every country has different customs .
I beg to differ, It is Ok for an American official not to bow to QMIi as the Danish courtiers and princes probably will not bow to the President of the United States. However, on a state visit where all Danes are bowing to the Belgian monarch, it is indeed rude for the Belgians not to bow to the Danish Queen. It is a matter of reciprocity, which is the Golden rule of foreign relations.
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Old 01-13-2018, 11:56 AM
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One former Prime Minister sat before the King in his Royal Office...
Times are changing Mbruno and the respect for Royals also.
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Old 01-13-2018, 12:26 PM
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One former Prime Minister sat before the King in his Royal Office...
Times are changing Mbruno and the respect for Royals also.
Well, Belgium is a " popular monarchy " after all, só it's not surprising that they should do things differently there !

I wonder though if it has been always like that or if that relaxation of protocol began wiith King Baudouin' and his brother,

I suspect Queen Mathikde wouldn't mind a little bit more protocol; she seems to enjoy being called 'Majesty' and maybe being curtsied to.
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Old 01-13-2018, 12:53 PM
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Personally, I would say only royals are expected to bow/curtsy. From ordinary people who have no title at all, it's up to their choices, no matter in what situation.
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Old 01-13-2018, 01:17 PM
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The Belgian Protocol relaxation started with King Albert II who was a modern and unexpected King.
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Old 01-13-2018, 01:44 PM
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reciprocity, which is the Golden rule of foreign relations.
Then I DREAD to imagine how Americans will be treated abroad in the next few years [but this is 'hors sujet']..
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Old 01-13-2018, 02:42 PM
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It is just gallantry. The bowing, the révérence. As long as it is voluntarily and never an obligation. It is like the "oldfashioned" handkiss. A very private choice to do so. Even by people who are really not "oldfashioned".

Doña Letizia receives a handkiss from the Duke of Savoy


Dutch Prime Minister Rutte gives a handkiss 3

The Prince of Wales gives a handkiss
The Letizia one could have an amusing caption. Fleipe looks like he is monitoring the elderly gallant.

Do not understand the second picture. Looks like the lady is turning away while the gentleman is the midst of the kiss.

And Charles and Mary look like they are enjoying their bit of the old-fashioned gallantry.
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That lady was the Speaker of the Second Chamber passing by while the Prime Minister was telephoning behind the coulisses. He saw the Speaker coming and -while continuing the telephone call- popped out of the coulisses and greeted her with a handkiss.
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Old 01-13-2018, 06:59 PM
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I think Mrs. Chirac, or other heads of state and their spouses, shouldn't bow/curtsy to other monarchs......but after all it's all about individual choice.
W.Y.CII, why do you think that heads of state should not bow/curtsy to other monarchs?
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Old 01-13-2018, 09:17 PM
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W.Y.CII, why do you think that heads of state should not bow/curtsy to other monarchs?
Because they are all equal - all heads of state. Having one bow to another suggests one is more important than another and they are not.
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Old 01-13-2018, 10:31 PM
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Yes, that's exactly what I think, thanks VictoriaB.
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